Second boat sunk by Orcas

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Where do you get the idea that we should not be there? We are just as entitled to use the planet as any other creature. Just because we have developed in such a way that we can use it differently should not exclude us from using it. If we happen to be in the same place then why should the laws of nature- ie survival of the fittest not apply?
Of course we have developed to a point where we understand the consequences, but there is still a limit & we must be entitled to protect ourselves from danger. Whether you like it or not.
Yeah some people seem to get all cuddly about these creatures when they aren't affected personally. Bet if old Roland rat started scampering unhindered around their houses biting and spreading disease they wouldn't be aaaw look the poor little furry things were here first. It would be out baseball bat and poison.

And yes, I know whales probably don't spread diseases.
 

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Yeah some people seem to get all cuddly about these creatures when they aren't affected personally. Bet if old Roland rat started scampering unhindered around their houses biting and spreading disease they wouldn't be aaaw look the poor little furry things were here first. It would be out baseball bat and poison.

And yes, I know whales probably don't spread diseases.
Disappointing.


Rats in a house are fair game. Whales in the sea are not.
 

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Who said we shouldn't be there?
With due respect you did include the terms --"if we weren't there? " & "when people encroach upon their space," & again "respect their space"
I note that twice you said that it is "their space" . By that one can read into that that you think that it is not ours& by definition we should not be there.
The whole crux of your post is about humans going into an area which you appear to suggest is not right for us to enter on a regular basis
Are you correcting me? Are actually saying that we have every right to be there as & when we wish. If so then perhaps I missunderstood your post
 

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Disappointing.


Rats in a house are fair game. Whales in the sea are not.
Hang on a minute, very fond of Rats , what give you the right to do them harm .
You may think your house is your home but they probably feel them same .
I say let's get a save the rat forum going to protect them from people as yourself .
SAVE THE RATS
 

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What on earth is a "rogue" wild animal? Aren't all wild animals "rogue" by definition? So there is an Orca pod exhibiting unusual behaviour, but probably wouldn't be exhibiting that behaviour if we weren't there? Where does one stop at killing wild animals. It disappoints me that when people encroach upon their space, and the animal sees lunch, we are surprised! If a great white/bull/tiger etc. attacks a diver/surfer/swimmer, we should not be surprised, and certainly not kill the animal but learn to respect their space and take appropriate non-lethal precautions. I don't think we can move into wild territory and expect that territory to be sanitised for us. (I would agree that animal relocation would be appropriate in some cases - tigers/big cats etc.), Strikes me as typical human arrogance.
If my boat was being attacked, I would certainly hope for a speedy rescue/assistance before I became lunch - and would definitely resort to self defence. But I would not go out of my way to kill the animal. I think we have stuffed this planet enough without condoning mass culling to assist the leisure industry.
Does anyone know for sure how many individual orcas have attacked yachts/boats? It may just be one with a screw loose ?

It's not one and who says it's their space?
 

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Troublesome Orca. Europe is not alone
The Killer Whales Haunting Fishermen in the Bering Sea

Here's an interesting suggestion.
Scientists hypothesize that orcas like the water pressure produced by a boat's propeller. "What we think is that they're asking to have the propeller in the face," de Stephanis says. So, when they encounter a sailboat that isn't running its engine, "they get kind of frustrated and that's why they break the rudder."

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With due respect you did include the terms --"if we weren't there? " & "when people encroach upon their space," & again "respect their space"
I note that twice you said that it is "their space" . By that one can read into that that you think that it is not ours& by definition we should not be there.
The whole crux of your post is about humans going into an area which you appear to suggest is not right for us to enter on a regular basis
Are you correcting me? Are actually saying that we have every right to be there as & when we wish. If so then perhaps I missunderstood your post
Yes I am saying we can be there, just expect wild animals. I don't think we have a "right" to expect wild animals to conform to our safe expectations.
 

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It's not one and who says it's their space?
I think an awful lot of the animal world would wish we had kept to our natural environment (and looked after it a bit better) I can't be arsed to get into an environmental philosophical debate as I am as guilty as anyone of environmental hypocrisy (drive a diesel car, own a plastic boat etc. etc.) but times are changing and sooner or later we as a species are going to be stuffed if we don't look after our home a bit more.
 

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That makes no sense to me?
Probably would not to you, but to the majority it would make obvious sense. Nobody suggested harming them. Just getting them to move away to avoid getting harmed one's self. That I think is the general consensus of the thread. If is difficult to avoid going through the zone then a situation may well arise.. Therefore, we need to deal with it as & when it arises. The point of this thread is to discuss options. We will not get the answer but raising the subject must raise interest. I will never sail through the area. i suspect many of those reading this thread will not either. That does not stop us having an opinion. Nor does it stop us learning in the event of a similar situation arising elsewhere. Then i might be involved.
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Probably would not to you, but to the majority it would make obvious sense. Nobody suggested harming them. Just getting them to move away to avoid getting harmed one's self. That I think is the general consensus of the thread. If is difficult to avoid going through the zone then a situation may well arise.. Therefore, we need to deal with it as & when it arises. The point of this thread is to discuss options. We will not get the answer but raising the subject must raise interest. I will never sail through the area. i suspect many of those reading this thread will not either. That does not stop us having an opinion. Nor does it stop us learning in the event of a similar situation arising elsewhere. Then i might be involved.
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I think people veiw would be very different if it was happening on their door step ,
Which it might still do .
 

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I think people veiw would be very different if it was happening on their door step ,
Which it might still do .
If due to climate change (whoa! whole sub-forum for that one ? ) Orcas took up residence in East Coast mud land, then yes, my view would be different. My view just wouldn't involve, as suggested earlier, killing, scaring, or moving on. Do people who want to go swimming off their boats in South Africa insist all great whites within a 5 mile radius are moved on? God knows what they do in Australia where everything seems intent on killing/eating/stinging people. More yachts have possibly been sunk by containers than by orcas. (granted, the containers won't eat you)
 

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If due to climate change (whoa! whole sub-forum for that one ? ) Orcas took up residence in East Coast mud land, then yes, my view would be different. My view just wouldn't involve, as suggested earlier, killing, scaring, or moving on. Do people who want to go swimming off their boats in South Africa insist all great whites within a 5 mile radius are moved on? God knows what they do in Australia where everything seems intent on killing/eating/stinging people. More yachts have possibly been sunk by containers than by orcas. (granted, the containers won't eat you)
What happen in places like Australia, once a animal attack some one it's hunter down when possible.

You know there was a time when the Orcas huggers would say , it's only some GRP not like a boat been sunk , now at less 2have ,
Now they saying , it's only a boat no one been killed.
Well mark my words it's only a matter of times if this carried on .
 
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