Mister E
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Not because I said so but because the various governments have.
Be careful what you wish for those same governments may just close their waters to sailing boats.
That solves their small problem.
Second boat sunk by Orcas
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Not because I said so but because the various governments have.
Be careful what you wish for those same governments may just close their waters to sailing boats.
That solves their small problem.
Mister E
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Who is going to pay for tagging?
MisterBaxter
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I think the most important thing has to be a proper analysis of the actual events. For example, did the boats involved spot the pod and steam towards them to get a closer look, or did the pod spot and pursue the boats? Were there young ones in the pod that the others wanted to protect? Was the damage done by one or more individual animals, or did the whole group get involved? Is this in fact one pod, or is it a behaviour common across several pods? Were the engines running or not at the time of the incidents, and were they in gear (ie props moving)? I feel like there are so many unanswered questions that it's not that useful to start trying to find solutions to what is anyway a more or less statistically insignificant problem.
sailaboutvic
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Please point me to where any government have said there will not cull them ?
Government other then stating sailor must not do anything intensely to harm them ( pinning ) have said nothing else .
As far as that goes most skipper will do what ever need to be done in an attack.
WindyWindyWindy
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Who is going to pay for culling?
It'd be interesting to tag them and use that to broadcast AIS locations, virtual nav marks, and see if people can avoid them.
25931
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Linnaeus's magnificent taxonomy made the situation quite clear - orcinus orca is the largest member of the Delphinidae.
Daydream believer
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Quite. Look how far out some forecasts can be in a small area.
LONG_KEELER
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Yes. More data would be helpful .
Orcas have been clocked at over 30mph , even if they can't sustain it, any displacement boat could not outrun them.
Which is the natural thing to try but to Orcas it may well add to the fun or whatever. Did the current sinking do this perhaps ? Did they take the sails down and just wallow till the Orcas got bored , which seems to be the recommendation ? Clearly difficult to do, particularly if you have a family aboard you would feel you have to do something.
Personally, I feel we have not reached the point of having to kill them yet but all the data possible needs to become available to all sooner rather than later. On the subject of pressure groups I don't think they are forcing the issue on this subjec. t It's just individuals with opinions . Wildlife is a large part of sailing for me and seems to be enjoyed by nearly everyone.
25931
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Especially when ashore
capnsensible
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Yeah, all good kids in harbour......
As the old sailors expression goes.
As the old sailors expression goes.
AntarcticPilot
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That's entirely clear. Whales (cetacea) are the Order; that comprises two suborders (Mysticeti and Odontoceti) The former is the great baleen whales; the latter is the toothed whales. Dolphins and Killer whales are BOTH in the latter sub-order; Killer whales are in the same family as dolphins - but all dolphins are whales.
25931
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In the same way that men and apes are primates but it is usual to differentiate.
RupertW
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I’d call them kittens if that got the eco loons who dominate sailing to allow grown ups to kill then.
RupertW
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I will if there is a large explosive attached to the tag. Tagging joins the very long list of pointless ideas that help nobody to be any safer. You might as well suggest calling them all Kevin.
Habebty
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Curious to know who or what are the “eco loons” who “dominate” sailing?
Mister E
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You can not identify the ones concerned, so how do you know the ones to kill Kevin?
Daydream believer
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Cull the complete pod. You might get Tracy & Sharon as well, but you would make sure that you got Kevin,. Surely that would sort the problem. ?
Rappey
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For those with questions - read all the posts and links on this thread and many of your questions may be answered.
This is an article about the recent sinking. Terrifying moment pod of seven orcas SINK a sailing yacht
I've now read quite a few articles from different sources and it's clear to see no two reports are alike. Some claim the orcas ate a hole in the hull, others say one swam off with the rudder in its mouth after ripping it out the hull.
Orca are seen as a threatened species. Orcas are protected under (international ?) , EU, Spanish and Portuguese law. It is illegal to undertake any action which may harm or disturb these marine mammals.
Best start using retractable rudders ?
This is an article about the recent sinking. Terrifying moment pod of seven orcas SINK a sailing yacht
I've now read quite a few articles from different sources and it's clear to see no two reports are alike. Some claim the orcas ate a hole in the hull, others say one swam off with the rudder in its mouth after ripping it out the hull.
Orca are seen as a threatened species. Orcas are protected under (international ?) , EU, Spanish and Portuguese law. It is illegal to undertake any action which may harm or disturb these marine mammals.
Best start using retractable rudders ?
Mister E
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How do you know the correct Pod?
Just to add I don't even like the things. I am asking questions looking for sensible suggestions that may help.
I am very unlikely to have this problem in North Wales.
Stingo
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Corrected for you. My pleasure.
