IN in EU or OUT from EU

[CAPTAIN FANTASTIC]

interesting, and YBW is 50-50....?



Question: Do Brexit people shop at Lidl/Aldi?

The list is very interesting and proves a serious point.
Also, some people naively think that the UK will give up its army and the nuclear deterrent; no european country will do such a thing; a common european army will be necessary in addition to the member country armies. Same applies for the navy; EU needs a strong navy to guard its borders, especially the Med, which at present is a huge weakness to the overall security; security will encourage even more leisure sailing and yachting industries to flourish.

 

[Daydream believer]

So what happens to nato when this so called eu army joke comes off then?

 

[Daydream believer]

The list is very interesting and proves a serious point.
Also, some people naively think that the UK will give up its army and the nuclear deterrent.

Corbyn would
Why would an eu navy be necessary. We would just need extra sea link ferries to buss the easterns in

 

[VO5]

The list is very interesting and proves a serious point.
Also, some people naively think that the UK will give up its army and the nuclear deterrent; no european country will do such a thing; a common european army will be necessary in addition to the member country armies. Same applies for the navy; EU needs a strong navy to guard its borders, especially the Med, which at present is a huge weakness to the overall security; security will encourage even more leisure sailing and yachting industries to flourish.

Interesting list indeed.
What about the fishermen ?

 

[CAPTAIN FANTASTIC]

So what happens to nato when this so called eu army joke comes off then?

What NATO has to do with the EU? different interests; different strategies. NATO is North Atlantic, EU is Europe only.

 

[Poignard]

Re: Carrot & stick - but where's the carrot?

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If another war broke out inside the Europe Countries, quite likely to do so, we in the UK would be far better position to counter it rather than inside the EU.

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On what grounds would any modern EU member state declare war on another? Do you see any European country currently building up its armed forces with a view to territorial aggrandizement? Are Germany and France building warships, military aircraft and missiles with which to attack their European neighbours? Are they increasing the size of their armies with that end in view? Have they budgeted for the colossal expenditure that would be necessary?

Have you ever read anything about the origins of European wars during the last, say, two centuries? What parallels do you draw between circumstances then and those existing today?

Sorry for throwing all these questions at you but one final one, if you don't mind.

Are you really serious, or just being silly?

 

[sailorman]

The list is very interesting and proves a serious point.
Also, some people naively think that the UK will give up its army and the nuclear deterrent; no european country will do such a thing; a common european army will be necessary in addition to the member country armies. Same applies for the navy; EU needs a strong navy to guard its borders, especially the Med, which at present is a huge weakness to the overall security; security will encourage even more leisure sailing and yachting industries to flourish.

So far 18 months too late

 

[Koeketiene]

interesting, and YBW is 50-50....?



Question: Do Brexit people shop at Lidl/Aldi?

Don't forget: Rupert also favours a BREXIT.
Interesting to learn why...

 

[Jamesuk]

I must have missed somewhere that the Referendum is merely an advisory vote nothing is legally binding to it. (BusinesInsider) so with that in mind the government could just take it to the Parliament and put it to the house. That is parliamentary sovereignty so I have read.

If I had a wand I would perhaps form a Brexit nation outside of the EU just for Brits. Ascension Island springs to mind

 

[Poignard]

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If I had a wand I would perhaps form a Brexit nation outside of the EU just for Brits. Ascension Island springs to mind

What have the people of Ascension Island done to deserve that?

 

[LONG_KEELER]

interesting, and YBW is 50-50....?



Question: Do Brexit people shop at Lidl/Aldi?

That list supports my view that the only way is out.

The ruling elite , supported by big business and banks must be terrified at the moment and I'm just Luvin it .

 

[scubajohn]

Im afraid jamessuk is right a brexit vote is just advisory, a opinion of the nation, unfortunatly, welcome to the united states of europe

 

[Capt Popeye]

Im afraid jamessuk is right a brexit vote is just advisory, a opinion of the nation, unfortunatly, welcome to the united states of europe

Humm, well yes, please remind me which of the Countries within the present EU have a good record on Democracy then, your answers on the back of a Postage Stamp please ?

 

[Daydream believer]

If we did vote for a brexit then the eu will do what they did with iteland & demand another referendum until we get the answer correct. Then that answer will be considered democratic

 

[Capt Popeye]

If we did vote for a brexit then the eu will do what they did with iteland & demand another referendum until we get the answer correct. Then that answer will be considered democratic

Humm, yes Sir you just might be right on that matter, but it just might demonstrate to some waverers in the STAY camp what they are voting for in reality.
Also no doubt that our VAT will be up at 20% or so and the future inside the EU will become even more apparent, even to the 'waverers' among us.

 

[Bobc]

If we did vote for a brexit then the eu will do what they did with iteland & demand another referendum until we get the answer correct. Then that answer will be considered democratic

I suspect you're right, but I think what would happen is that the government won't invoke article 50, the EU will invite them back for further negotioations, there will be some other concessions offered (mainly regarding immigration controls and some guarantees on our rebate), and then it will either go to a 2nd referendum, of the government will tell us all that they now have the deal they originally wanted and as such we're staying in.

So if you want to remain in but with some real reform and an end to the immigration nightmare, then vote to leave.

 

[Daydream believer]

I suspect you're right, but I think what would happen is that the government won't invoke article 50, the EU will invite them back for further negotioations, there will be some other concessions offered (mainly regarding immigration controls and some guarantees on our rebate), and then it will either go to a 2nd referendum, of the government will tell us all that they now have the deal they originally wanted and as such we're staying in.

So if you want to remain in but with some real reform and an end to the immigration nightmare, then vote to leave.

If you think about it a very narrow out vote might make that a very likely scenario

 

[MJWF]

If you think about it a very narrow out vote might make that a very likely scenario

A very narrow vote for out will lead to a lot of uncertainty which will cost us a financially (uncertainty always does) and potentially end up with an unforseen (bad) outcome. It isnt worth "experimenting" - we all have a whinge but Britain is not such a bad place (if it was there wouldn't be all the imigration)

 

[Daydream believer]

A very narrow vote for out will lead to a lot of uncertainty which will cost us a financially (uncertainty always does) and potentially end up with an unforseen (bad) outcome. It isnt worth "experimenting" - we all have a whinge but Britain is not such a bad place (if it was there wouldn't be all the imigration)

Britain is a great place. It is being ruined by influences beyond our control

 

[Bobc]

A very narrow vote for out will lead to a lot of uncertainty which will cost us a financially (uncertainty always does) and potentially end up with an unforseen (bad) outcome. It isnt worth "experimenting" - we all have a whinge but Britain is not such a bad place (if it was there wouldn't be all the imigration)

I disagree. I suspect that plans are already laid for this, and by dinner time on Friday there will be an announcement of an "emergency meeting" of EU heads of state to discuss "what they need to do to keep us in". The markets will know what that means (as will the public), and all will be calm.

I personally think that this is the route we have to take. If we vote to remain, we are sending a signal saying that they can impose whatever they want on us and we'll just lie down and accept it. I'm not madly in favour of leaving, but I dislike the current situation enough to prefer that outcome. However, I would much prefer a situation where we can stay in but on terms more favourable to us, and giving us at least some controls and proper vetos.