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A rain proof one?
Anyone else beginning to panic as to where to winter, 2019/20 if no deal Bre><it.
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One A.
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Might help..
Might help..
KellysEye
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Does anyone know the reasons why you couldn't visit European countries when there is a no deal?
Does anyone know the reasons why you couldn't visit European countries when there is a no deal?
cloud7
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I cannot see the panic , as a non EU member , surely the 18 month rule applies , non EU cruising variously EU countries.
greeny
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Why would you not be able to visit an EU country after Brexit?
The rules may possibly be different but not a reason to stop you visiting.
Living in an EU country is a different subject and again the rules may be different to those we've enjoyed until Brexit happens. If it happens.
Why would you not be able to visit an EU country after Brexit?
The rules may possibly be different but not a reason to stop you visiting.
Living in an EU country is a different subject and again the rules may be different to those we've enjoyed until Brexit happens. If it happens.
jordanbasset
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The rules are simple, unless you are resident you can spend up to 90 days in every 180 days in the schengen area
The rules are simple, unless you are resident you can spend up to 90 days in every 180 days in the schengen area
nortada
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So this is why loads of folks have registered for temporary (5 year) residency in the EU country of their choice.
So this is why loads of folks have registered for temporary (5 year) residency in the EU country of their choice.
One A.
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And in Spain this option has other consequences.
And in Spain this option has other consequences.
nortada
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Please detail these other consquences?
Please detail these other consquences?
Trident
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The issue is very simple - if we can only visit for 90 days in any 180 days most Med cruisers will have to a) not over winter with their boats and b) spend half the summer cruising season in North Africa or Gibraltar. We spent 4 years in the Med and lived aboard full time so could stop in October or November in one place for 4 or 5 months and then set off again when the weather improved. Unless other arrangements are made in a deal, the no deal default would make that impossible. I would note that also VAT paid status will be taken on the location of the boat at the date of Brexit so if you're in the UK or otherwise out of the EU and want to spend more than 18 months in the EU waters you need to pay VAT in the EU. If you're in the EU in a UK registered boat at Brexit you will be deemed VAT paid in the EU but not necessarily in the UK though (in the words of HMRC) some relief may be offered on a boat returning to the UK. (Most experts believe the UK will not charge you VAT to come back to the UK but the law does not guarantee that at this point) - of course we met dozens of American and Australian cruisers who had been in EU waters "illegally" for years (14 years non stop in one case) and had never even been visited by officials so whether any of this would ever be enforced is a very different matter.
The issue is very simple - if we can only visit for 90 days in any 180 days most Med cruisers will have to a) not over winter with their boats and b) spend half the summer cruising season in North Africa or Gibraltar. We spent 4 years in the Med and lived aboard full time so could stop in October or November in one place for 4 or 5 months and then set off again when the weather improved. Unless other arrangements are made in a deal, the no deal default would make that impossible. I would note that also VAT paid status will be taken on the location of the boat at the date of Brexit so if you're in the UK or otherwise out of the EU and want to spend more than 18 months in the EU waters you need to pay VAT in the EU. If you're in the EU in a UK registered boat at Brexit you will be deemed VAT paid in the EU but not necessarily in the UK though (in the words of HMRC) some relief may be offered on a boat returning to the UK. (Most experts believe the UK will not charge you VAT to come back to the UK but the law does not guarantee that at this point) - of course we met dozens of American and Australian cruisers who had been in EU waters "illegally" for years (14 years non stop in one case) and had never even been visited by officials so whether any of this would ever be enforced is a very different matter.
RobbieW
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Also don't forget it's a rolling 180 window and temporary residency only works for the specific country, Schengen rules still apply in all the other countries.
Also don't forget it's a rolling 180 window and temporary residency only works for the specific country, Schengen rules still apply in all the other countries.
nortada
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So you could cruise 90/180 days before returning to your registered country, any non-EU country or the UK.
As Schengen applies to people not boats, you could park your boat wherever you wish for as long as you want.
If (big IF) Brexit ever happens, would take a bit of organising but seems a reasonable life style to me. :encouragement:
So you could cruise 90/180 days before returning to your registered country, any non-EU country or the UK.
As Schengen applies to people not boats, you could park your boat wherever you wish for as long as you want.
If (big IF) Brexit ever happens, would take a bit of organising but seems a reasonable life style to me. :encouragement:
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jordanbasset
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A lot more difficult than currently.
First you need to get residency (and deal with the specific issues and obligations of that country, such as tax and medical insurance etc)and then you would need to keep coming back to that specific country after your 90 days in every 180, which can be a faff depending on where you get to on your cruise
In no way does it compare to the current status with freedom of movement
A lot more difficult than currently.
First you need to get residency (and deal with the specific issues and obligations of that country, such as tax and medical insurance etc)and then you would need to keep coming back to that specific country after your 90 days in every 180, which can be a faff depending on where you get to on your cruise
In no way does it compare to the current status with freedom of movement
One A.
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If you take Spanish residency you will be obliged to re flag to a Spanish one, also you will have to comply with the following
http://www.idealspain.com/Pages/Nautical/sailing_courses_spain.html
If you take Spanish residency you will be obliged to re flag to a Spanish one, also you will have to comply with the following
http://www.idealspain.com/Pages/Nautical/sailing_courses_spain.html
Seven Spades
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If you don’t speak the lingo then Yacht Master is recognised, which might be your best option.
If you don’t speak the lingo then Yacht Master is recognised, which might be your best option.
nortada
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Although not enforced in many EU countries, currently you are supposed to register for temporary (5 year) residency if you intend to be in that country for more than 3 months. No-compliance can carry a hefty fine - in Portugal up to €1,500.
Unless you spend more than 183 days in a year in your host country, earn no money in that country and remit your taxes to the UK, you have no tax liability in your host country. If you spend more than 183 days in country, you may be required to remit a tax return but will still not have any tax liability.
Nevertheless, you may be required to demonstrate you are solvent and unlikely to present a financial burden to your host country.
As a resident you benefit from your host countries health service so there is no requirement for additional insurance. You may even be able to apply for an EHIC from you host country; for use in other EU countries, in the unlikely event that the UK EHIC doesn't survive Brexit.
Believe if a resident registers to vote, they may be able to vote in local but not national elections.
After 5 years, you can get permanent (10 year) residence, which is issued at a national rather than a local council level of government.
As said before Schengen applies to people but not boats so agree Brexit could require changes but with residency in an EU country they should be fairly manageable.
Not true.
It has always been the case that if you are in country for more than 3 months, you are required to get residency (possible €1,500 fine if you don't) so Brexit changes nothing.
I suspect you may be muddling residency with citizenship - very different. For example as a resident you continue to travel on your UK passport and there are no language qualifications required.
I believe Sailfree already has Portuguese residencia and may be pursuing citizenship - so he could be your expert on this.
Currently you are required to have an ICC (it is preferred to Yachtmaster) and as this legislation is not EU, an ICC will still be valid whatever form of Brexit we end up with.
Although not enforced in many EU countries, currently you are supposed to register for temporary (5 year) residency if you intend to be in that country for more than 3 months. No-compliance can carry a hefty fine - in Portugal up to €1,500.
Unless you spend more than 183 days in a year in your host country, earn no money in that country and remit your taxes to the UK, you have no tax liability in your host country. If you spend more than 183 days in country, you may be required to remit a tax return but will still not have any tax liability.
Nevertheless, you may be required to demonstrate you are solvent and unlikely to present a financial burden to your host country.
As a resident you benefit from your host countries health service so there is no requirement for additional insurance. You may even be able to apply for an EHIC from you host country; for use in other EU countries, in the unlikely event that the UK EHIC doesn't survive Brexit.
Believe if a resident registers to vote, they may be able to vote in local but not national elections.
After 5 years, you can get permanent (10 year) residence, which is issued at a national rather than a local council level of government.
As said before Schengen applies to people but not boats so agree Brexit could require changes but with residency in an EU country they should be fairly manageable.
Not true.
It has always been the case that if you are in country for more than 3 months, you are required to get residency (possible €1,500 fine if you don't) so Brexit changes nothing.
I suspect you may be muddling residency with citizenship - very different. For example as a resident you continue to travel on your UK passport and there are no language qualifications required.
I believe Sailfree already has Portuguese residencia and may be pursuing citizenship - so he could be your expert on this.
Currently you are required to have an ICC (it is preferred to Yachtmaster) and as this legislation is not EU, an ICC will still be valid whatever form of Brexit we end up with.
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One A.
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'As a starter, you could consider registering for temporary residence (5 years) that may smooth your path should Brexit ever happen. Again there is loads about this on the link above.'
If you have temporary 'residence' in Spain the ICC is not recognised and if the flag is not Spanish you are obliged to re flag it, can you provide a link to the contrary please.
'As a starter, you could consider registering for temporary residence (5 years) that may smooth your path should Brexit ever happen. Again there is loads about this on the link above.'
If you have temporary 'residence' in Spain the ICC is not recognised and if the flag is not Spanish you are obliged to re flag it, can you provide a link to the contrary please.
nortada
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What link above?
Although we have family property in Ayamonte, we don't keep the boat in Spain and do not spend long enough in Spain (3 months) to have to register so not my problem but I have many friends based in Spain on British flagged boats. As required, some have registered but their flag remains the same.
You make a good argument for basing yourself in Portugal and visiting Spain for less than 3 months in any 6. This would overcome any future Schengen issues.
Links - you will be well aware you don't get negative links but as a positive, some of the guys resident on their boats is Spain may like to clarify the issue.
What link above?
Although we have family property in Ayamonte, we don't keep the boat in Spain and do not spend long enough in Spain (3 months) to have to register so not my problem but I have many friends based in Spain on British flagged boats. As required, some have registered but their flag remains the same.
You make a good argument for basing yourself in Portugal and visiting Spain for less than 3 months in any 6. This would overcome any future Schengen issues.
Links - you will be well aware you don't get negative links but as a positive, some of the guys resident on their boats is Spain may like to clarify the issue.
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One A.
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As you can't be bothered.
http://en.nauticwebnews.com/547/sailing-and-boating-licences-in-spain/
https://www.angloinfo.com/how-to/spain/lifestyle/sports-leisure/sailing-and-boating
http://spainvia.com/boats.htm
As you can't be bothered.
http://en.nauticwebnews.com/547/sailing-and-boating-licences-in-spain/
https://www.angloinfo.com/how-to/spain/lifestyle/sports-leisure/sailing-and-boating
http://spainvia.com/boats.htm
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nortada
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On another tack, I personally know a Brit liveaboard who has Portuguese, Spanish, French and Greek residency all at the same time.
Talk about belt and braces.
Oh yes, he flys the good old UJ.
On another tack, I personally know a Brit liveaboard who has Portuguese, Spanish, French and Greek residency all at the same time.
Talk about belt and braces.
Oh yes, he flys the good old UJ.