Yachtsmen Carrying Knives (UK)

[Zing]

So you are openly admitting knowingly breaking UK criminal law by carrying a locking knife blade?
Why should the law not apply to you?
Have you considered what restrictions would apply to your life if you had to declare a criminal record?

I have never found a need to carry a knife or multi tool with blade in normal life, away from house or boat.
If a job needs doing, I will get a proper tool from the toolbox, but doesn’t happen when going out for a meal or walking down a street.

No I am not admitting any words you want to misrepresent me with and to stuff into my mouth. You are clueless about the law. [Inappropriate content removed]

If you have a good reason to carry a locking knife then you may carry one and I have good reason to do so and so I do. Completely legally.

 

[Seven Spades]

Indeed. When I was at school, age 11 onwards EVERYONE carried a knife. It was utterly normal. Now it’s ss though if you were allowed to touch a knife terrible things would happen. Like whilst having your school lunch that all kids would be without self control and plunge the butter knife into the next kid’s heart, because that’s what you do if you have access to knives.

We are governed by morons.

I still carry (every day) the pen knife my father bought me when I was 11. I have carried it almost every day since, it is small, slim, made in Sheffield it has a bone handle and carbon steel blades. It is now over 50 years old. Interestingly I have carried it everywhere throught many airports, it was only once picked up and that was at Singapore airport where it was examined and handed back to me. Today it goes in checked luggage, although last year I forgot and I took it through Gatwick in error and it passed through in my hand luggage.,

 

[Trident]

But you need to read the whole of s141 not just para 1. After you’ve read subsection 1A you might want to rethink your assertions.

If you read the thread since my comment someone else has already pointed out the recent amendments to the act which prove me wrong and which I have accepted is the case. Thank you for also pointing that out.

Forewarned is forearmed - or not in this case

I shall of course continue to do as I please as I do with all laws - I follow laws I consider morally correct and ignore any I disagree with or that I find inconvenient… just like everyone else to one degree or another

 

[Chiara’s slave]

Indeed. When I was at school, age 11 onwards EVERYONE carried a knife. It was utterly normal. Now it’s ss though if you were allowed to touch a knife terrible things would happen. Like whilst having your school lunch that all kids would be without self control and plunge the butter knife into the next kid’s heart, because that’s what you do if you have access to knives.

We are governed by morons.

I don’t see anything wrong with carrying a swiss army knife, leatherman, or similar. Even if I generally don’t myself. Trident’s belt buckle though, is meant only for stabbing people.

 

[capnsensible]

Indeed. When I was at school, age 11 onwards EVERYONE carried a knife. It was utterly normal. Now it’s ss though if you were allowed to touch a knife terrible things would happen. Like whilst having your school lunch that all kids would be without self control and plunge the butter knife into the next kid’s heart, because that’s what you do if you have access to knives.

We are governed by morons.

I don't believe that.

Anyway, even you must be aware of the number of kids across the UK killing each other with knives ever week.

 

[[193211]]

Today it goes in checked luggage, although last year I forgot and I took it through Gatwick in error and it passed through in my hand luggage.,

I don’t think this happened.

 

[Sandydog2]

I don’t think this happened.

I found I had left a small silver penknife in my hand bag, after a return flight from Heathrow to Athens last year. It is less than 3" blade.

 

[RunAgroundHard]

I don’t think my life has been diminished in any way by not carrying a knife on my person. When I have carried one it has been irrelevant for 99.98% of the time.

When I take a bigger tool kit to the boat there are a couple of knives, large fixed blade and Stanly knife, but they are in a toolbox. I don’t worry about them and the law.

The seatbelt claims made earlier about being dangerous at speed I don’t believe based on industry road safety evidence globally. I don’t need to be convinced. Four of my crew were killed when the Land Cruiser hit rough tarmac on a freeway and flipped. The two guys in the back who were not wearing seatbelts hit the two guys in the front, killing all 4. The third guy in the back who was wearing a seatbelt, survived.

The USA CDC has data on crashes with and without seatbelts, and your risk in the USA is reduced by 45% if wearing a seatbelt. Organ trauma caused by sufficient force to be life threatening is a fact if you are wearing or not wearing a seatbelt. The seatbelt restriction in movement is countered by vehicle crumple zones reducing the acceleration further. The person who promotes not wearing seatbelts is safer is peddling false information in my opinion.

 

[Chiara’s slave]

I’m definitely not going to try any kind of forbidden object in my hand luggage. I have enough trouble getting my wife through. She has so much metal inside her she sets all the alarms off as it is.

 

[westernman]

Back in 1987 I went from Dover to Calais in my French registered Citroen. I had picked up a hitch hiker in Dover and he was in the car as I went through customs. I got picked out for a search (which happens extremely rarely to me, but was probably triggered by the dodgy looking hitch hiker).

In the boot I had three machetes with 70cm long blades. I showed customs that they were blunt (which they were) and were only for decorative purposes (they were in decorative holders). Also, in the boot I had a load of rowing boat bits which I had bought without paying VAT. Several thousands pounds worth. They enquired what they were - I explained they were spare sparts for the rowing club in Paris I was a member of.

That is the only time I have ever been stopped by customs in France. I was once stopped in the Dover when I was last off the ferry and was directed into the last queue. Normally there is a traffic cone at the end to signal you should wait to go into the customs shed. They were another 10 lines or so before me. There was no cone in my queue so I accelerated at full speed to see if I could overtake the other 200 odd cars waiting for customs. Just before I got to the end, the "traffic" controller put a cone in front of me which I ended up running over and crushing.

So I had to wait for all the other cars. And then I was pulled over in the customs shed. They did not seem to appreciate the quashed cone. I had to open the boot they had a look asked a few questions but quickly got bored with me. They were much more interested in dismantling a mercedes in which a group of German youths were travelling. They had the doors off, the tires off the rims, ....

 

[Trident]

I don’t think this happened.

Many TV news documentaries have shown tests at airports which included large carving knives in a suit inside pocket not setting off the detectors. I brought a diving knife back in hand luggage (as I had no hold luggage - I don't think I've ever had hold luggage in my adult life, who needs so much stuff for a couple of weeks) and that was not mentioned coming back from Europe - I don't imagine the security in Italy is any more lax than the UK

Let's not forget that all security is flawed and simply does the best job possible , not a perfect job. The shoe bomber got past trained sniffer dogs - they learned and now you take shoes off for "x-ray" . Lap tops had explosives in the battery compartment so now they get scanned separately . Of course now explosives are being used (best not to mention the names) that very closely match the density of a lithium battery packs so will not be immediately obvious to the eye or the algorithms that spot them.

Most of what airports do is weed out the home grown, mix up some peroxide to go bang in your kitchen, brigade. It's very easy to miss things and a penknife in a carry on bag would simply not register most of the time. The no sharp objects policy is to make you feel better not stop 911 style attacks - thats why they didn't ban wine bottles or coke cans on board planes - both of which can be lethal and probably more so than a small penknife

 

[PWLS08]

I don’t think this happened.

You have far too much faith in airport security. A colleague of mine discovered a round of 7.62 ball in the back pocket of his jeans on undressing at his hotel in Spain having just flown there from Gatwick.

 

[Chiara’s slave]

You have far too much faith in airport security. A colleague of mine discovered a round of 7.62 ball in the back pocket of his jeans on undressing at his hotel in Spain having just flown there from Gatwick.

How the hell do you not know you’ve got a 762 round in your arse pocket?

 

[johnalison]

I had a sheath knife when I was at school, but I don’t remember ever carrying it outside the house. At school we generally carried small penknives and I don’t even begin to think that any of us ever thought of them as potential weapons, although graffiti on desks were not unknown. I can understand that in the current atmosphere schools have to draw a line somewhere and knives are not strictly necessary.

If I chose to, I wouldn’t normally think twice about carrying any knife that I might need for some purpose, whether a substantial knife for the boat, or even something like a kitchen knife. About twenty years ago I was caught out by forgetting that my key-ring Swiss Army knife was with my keys in my hand luggage and thereby lost it. At least, on a previous occasion my SAK of medium size was spotted but we, there being several of us, were taken to the luggage area so that we could put them in our hold luggage.

 

[Snowgoose-1]

I had a sheath knife when I was at school, but I don’t remember ever carrying it outside the house. At school we generally carried small penknives and I don’t even begin to think that any of us ever thought of them as potential weapons, although graffiti on desks were not unknown. I can understand that in the current atmosphere schools have to draw a line somewhere and knives are not strictly necessary.

If I chose to, I wouldn’t normally think twice about carrying any knife that I might need for some purpose, whether a substantial knife for the boat, or even something like a kitchen knife. About twenty years ago I was caught out by forgetting that my key-ring Swiss Army knife was with my keys in my hand luggage and thereby lost it. At least, on a previous occasion my SAK of medium size was spotted but we, there being several of us, were taken to the luggage area so that we could put them in our hold luggage.

Being a similar vintage, the weapons of choice for Teddy Boys were bike chains, flick knives and nuckle dusters. Apparently, flick knives were banned in 1957 . So restrictions are nothing new.

 

[Plum]

......... seatbelts (not that I wear them as they're actually more dangerous than not) ........

Having spent part of my career conducting and analysing automotive crash tests I have evidence that contradicts your opinion.

 

[penberth3]

Having spent part of my career conducting and analysing automotive crash tests I have evidence that contradicts your opinion.

 

[billskip]

Now I just have an assortment of random tools

 

[billskip]

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[nevis768]

No I am not admitting any words you want to misrepresent me with and to stuff into my mouth. You are clueless about the law. [Inappropriate content removed]

If you have a good reason to carry a locking knife then you may carry one and I have good reason to do so and so I do. Completely legally.

I carry a Swiss army knife, but wouldn't carry a lock knife in the UK unless I genuinely needed it for work, and could prove that, and at the time I was carrying it I was actually at work or travelling to or from. As long as you remember the onus in this part of the law is for you to prove you have a good reason, should the person enquiring not believe you, you could be arrested, and, in Scotland, you might spend some time incarcerated due to the fact knife carriage is not tolerated. It is worth remembering the police are used to bullshit excuses and have heard them all before, and you won't be communicating with them on a keyboard...

Here is the relevant part of the legislation, note the it is for the person charged to prove he had a good reason,


4)It shall be a defence for a person charged with an offence under this section to prove that he had good reason or lawful authority for having the article with him in a public place.

(5)Without prejudice to the generality of subsection (4) above, it shall be a defence for a person charged with an offence under this section to prove that he had the article with him—

(a)for use at work;

(b)for religious reasons; or

(c)as part of any national costume.