fergie_mac66
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ssr and part 1 already basis for taxation
Time for more regulations ????
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MARGETTS
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The OP did not infer that this person was in need of freedom from rules
or that he wanted to challenge the oceans. It was about saving money. Not
a normal part of a mid winter passage plan
Name the boat. No other option
Then others can offer advice (tell him he is being stupid )
and hopefully dissuade him.
Better to try, and fail to stop, him than live with the regret which may come later
or that he wanted to challenge the oceans. It was about saving money. Not
a normal part of a mid winter passage plan
Name the boat. No other option
Then others can offer advice (tell him he is being stupid )
and hopefully dissuade him.
Better to try, and fail to stop, him than live with the regret which may come later
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SAWDOC
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There was a program on tv a few years ago about a guy who decided he was going to the first to canoe the dangerous waters between Oz/Tasmania and NZ. As far as I recall, the harbour authorities had the power to at least initially prevent his departure from Oz on safety grounds. He eventually did get going and died in the attempt. I would say however well intentione dit is impossible to implement a prohibition on going to sea in dodgy craft. Perhaps having to shell out for emergency services call out would be as good a deterrent as one could implement?
LadyInBed
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stevensuf
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The problem with regulation is, that once its started it gets tighter & tighter & tighter , especially when done by governments, who know no sense.
Now marine radio is licensed/ controlled and look at the nonsense they teach for mayday, im sure if my boat was ever sinking, the mmsi number would be the last thing to get spoken, mayday, position,sinking, then name, then maybe more detail, yes im going to shout my boat name 4 times and a long number first before saying im sinking and my position?
If that's where regulation gets us, i'm safer without it!
Now marine radio is licensed/ controlled and look at the nonsense they teach for mayday, im sure if my boat was ever sinking, the mmsi number would be the last thing to get spoken, mayday, position,sinking, then name, then maybe more detail, yes im going to shout my boat name 4 times and a long number first before saying im sinking and my position?
If that's where regulation gets us, i'm safer without it!
Tranona
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No - because neither are compulsory. Lack of a compulsory registration system and difficulty of putting one in place was one of the difficulties recognised in the recent report of extending Light Duties to leisure craft.
Momac
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I hope you will offer some friendly advice in a calm, polite and helful way. This chap seems unaware that he may be putting himself in any danger and he may be unaware of the significance of the defects in his boat. If you have a go at him 'in no uncertain terms' it seems to me unlikely to have the result you desire. Indeed it may strengthen his resolve to prove you wrong.
I understand your best intentions are for his safety but reporting him to whoever seems excesssive.
rotrax
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I wonder why it is recognised procedure then? Why shout? You are using a transmitting device. Normal speech is fine. As is the Mayday routine in my humble view. If you really dont fancy speaking to the coastguard in the protocol just hit the red button. If you have one.........
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DogWatch
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Time for more regulations ????
Is it, oh, I hadn't realised...
February *sigh*
Is it, oh, I hadn't realised...
February *sigh*
stevensuf
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rotrax , imagine your boat was sinking, time very limited before the water got to your batteries, what two pieces of information are the most important? the fact you are sinking and your location, common sense says they should be the facts reported first, yeah your mmsi number and boat name is going to do a whole lot of good if your battery cuts out mid way.
nb why not point the ops guy to this thread, let him read it before he sets off.
nb why not point the ops guy to this thread, let him read it before he sets off.
fergie_mac66
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Very easy and cheap to make registration on one or the other compulsory.
Taxation and fine ie. disc displayed on boat afloat , no disc,a fine results.(dvla set up to do it already )
Infact a few years ago SSR was available through local dvla centers Making quals' compulsory And taxable would be more difficult, would need a bigger infrastructure, need bodies to accost people afloat to make checks, a lot more bodies than the UKBA has.
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Tranona
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Very easy and cheap to make registration on one or the other compulsory.
Taxation and fine ie. disc displayed on boat afloat , no disc,a fine results.(dvla set up to do it already )
First it would need legislation, then a new register that could provide the basis for taxation. Neither the SSR nor Part 1 is a register of ownership. A register that is a base for taxation would have to link the basis for the tax (ie the boat) to a person responsible for paying the tax. That would mean every qualifying boat and a person would need to be formally identified and recorded. Given that there is currently no mechanism in existence to do this it would be a mammoth task.
davidej
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Neither is a car registration document- it records the 'keeper'.
That doesn't stop it from being the means of taxation!
tom_sail
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At the end of the day the UK was and possibly still is the leaders of the marine industry and leisure. Most of the worlds greatest ships, sailors have been built and born
in the UK. I think the government realise that and could never take that freedom away, sailing is written into the UK's DNA.
in the UK. I think the government realise that and could never take that freedom away, sailing is written into the UK's DNA.
fergie_mac66
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It's not beyond the realms of possibility to make SSR compulsory with the addition of compulsory display of tax disc same as for car. For a good number of years SSR was available through the dvla so it must have been in the powers that be's minds to make the link. Legislation is what the powers that be do . Going right back to the domesday book.
Admit not so easy to clamp a boat
edit SSR could be made compultory for all boats even in addition to part ones
davidej
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I think you spectacles are rather rose-tinted.
I live near the sea but still find the vast majority of people I meet (other than at the YC) have no knowledge of or interest in maritime matters.
Searush
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I was born & brought up at the seaside & I am still amazed at how little people there know about even basic stuff like tides - which is essential for even walking on the beach!
Steve Clayton
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Not read all posts; but chappie is going to need a radio in order to call QHM to get permission to transit out of Portsmouth. IIRC Small Boat Channel is closed/closing for some dredge operations - he needs to know this!
VO5
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Personally, I think all of you are barking up the wrong tree.
Disregarding the pecuniary argument for a moment, the problem cannot be soilved by regulation but by education.
The individual ought to be submitted to a gentle but detailed lecture explaining the perils of not going about it the right way, and then for his friends to help him acquire the correct knowledge therefore allowing him to make correct decisions.
Disregarding the pecuniary argument for a moment, the problem cannot be soilved by regulation but by education.
The individual ought to be submitted to a gentle but detailed lecture explaining the perils of not going about it the right way, and then for his friends to help him acquire the correct knowledge therefore allowing him to make correct decisions.
Appledore
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Not quite sure about this. My Part 1 Registration is 'Certificate of British Registration - Particulars of Ship', and at the bottom ' Details of Ownership'.
IIRC the RYA used to be responsible for SSR until forced to hand it over to the DVLA. First stages of compulsion??? I see no validity in having to be registered twice. It would cost me twice as much for no gain! Registration is nice to have, and perhaps compulsory for some European countries, but for the poor guy starting out, there are better things to spend money on when going to sea.