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Newbie Seeking Advice
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ClaytonDJ
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My search in the med for my first motor cruiser continues...
Have taken a few trips out and viewed a number of different boats.
Started with a Sealine S28 but jit ust isn't big enough downstairs if me and thie missus invite some friends abroad. Have decided we want seating downstairs in addition to the main cabin bed (so we don't have to keep taking the table down to make the bed up).
So started looking at bigger boats - to get the seating downstairs we need to go above 30 foot.
Have looked at Fairline Targa (30,31, 34 and 38s), Cranchi 39s, Bayliner 305, Doral 310 SE and Sea Ray 355 Sundanvcer. Still looking for a Sealine S34 to see what that looks/feels like.
I'll wait for the groans - but next week I'm going to look at a couple of old Sunseekers - a 1991 Martinique 38, and a Portofino 34 - a 2004 Cruisers Yachts 320 - and possibly a 1997 Crownline 330 CR.
Welcome any experiences or views - good and bad.
If anyone has any contacts in the med (not the on-line sellers/agents which I've exhausted) I'd be grateful for contact details (separate pm of course).
Have taken a few trips out and viewed a number of different boats.
Started with a Sealine S28 but jit ust isn't big enough downstairs if me and thie missus invite some friends abroad. Have decided we want seating downstairs in addition to the main cabin bed (so we don't have to keep taking the table down to make the bed up).
So started looking at bigger boats - to get the seating downstairs we need to go above 30 foot.
Have looked at Fairline Targa (30,31, 34 and 38s), Cranchi 39s, Bayliner 305, Doral 310 SE and Sea Ray 355 Sundanvcer. Still looking for a Sealine S34 to see what that looks/feels like.
I'll wait for the groans - but next week I'm going to look at a couple of old Sunseekers - a 1991 Martinique 38, and a Portofino 34 - a 2004 Cruisers Yachts 320 - and possibly a 1997 Crownline 330 CR.
Welcome any experiences or views - good and bad.
If anyone has any contacts in the med (not the on-line sellers/agents which I've exhausted) I'd be grateful for contact details (separate pm of course).
ClaytonDJ
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Sticky Fingers
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Great way to spend some time, and builds up a useful set of references when you see another one. Out of that list I’d personally be looking again at the two bigger Fairline Targas. Classics that will be relatively easy to sell on, too.
ClaytonDJ
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The Targa 38 presents well for its age but recent sea trial by VP identified starboard engine getting warmer than it should - turbos are goosed and need to be replaced along with exhaust elbows. Few ones and stated to ne lightly used - but no paperwork on servicing/maintenance of the KAD44s.
Targa 34 is in Portugal - some recent invoices for last service (to get ready for selling) but little else.
Am being attracted to boats with service history or evidence of work done
Sticky Fingers
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Makes good sense. With older boats in particular, fastidious previous owners and a pile of service history count for a lot!
ClaytonDJ
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Agreed - but the Spanish aren't particularly fastidious - don't look after their boats - and prefer cash in hand work avoiding payment of taxes (so no invoices)
ChromeDome
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Personal experience from Barcelona, years ago: "Original State" translates to "we used it in the sun and salt 12 months a year but never did anything to it since new."
Faded everywhere, lusterless, ceiling hanging 2' down, two new turbos needed (as a minimum), in general looking like at goat-shed, smelling like a dead, wet bison.
But the seller arrived in a nice looking Porker...
stelican
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T38 just has so much more internal column is you are considering extended time onboard.
Albeit the T34 cockpit is quite good.
If the engines are sound it maybe worth considering the cost of replacing all of the ancillaries and maybe the drives.
Old Fairlines never seem to die!
I think the 38 will become a classic and on those words so will the Cranchi Med 40!
ClaytonDJ
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So as every day goes by and I seek more and more advice - I'm finding it really challenging to find a clear way through to making a decision about the marina engines I should be considering. Different people have had different experiences which colours their viewpoint.
Boat-wise I'm favouring the Fairline Targa - but these are equipped with VP KADs. Some on here swear by these so long as their "looked after" whereas others dismiss them as hugely expensive to maintain if you can get the parts in the first place.
Others promote Mercruisers (but only for petrol) whilst others lend support to the likes of Yanmar and Cummins - but for every positive story or thread I find an equally negative one.
Buying in Spain means few come with comprehensive paperwork on servicing - most folks reducing running costs by servicing the engines themselves (which many on this forum also do). So possible that I will end up buying blind - high risk strategy I know.
Targa might seem not to die - but what about their engines - and at what cost to keep them alive?
Next week I'm off on my travels again - hoping to view a 1994 Sunseeker 34 Portofino (VP AQ41), a 1991 Sunseeker 38 Martinique (VP KAD 41s), a 2004 Cruisers Yachts 320 Express (Mercruiser 300s), a Cranchi Zafirro 34 (VP D4) and. 1997 Crownline 330 (Yanmar 6 LPA),
Wish me luck (or steer me away from any of the above combinations).
Boat-wise I'm favouring the Fairline Targa - but these are equipped with VP KADs. Some on here swear by these so long as their "looked after" whereas others dismiss them as hugely expensive to maintain if you can get the parts in the first place.
Others promote Mercruisers (but only for petrol) whilst others lend support to the likes of Yanmar and Cummins - but for every positive story or thread I find an equally negative one.
Buying in Spain means few come with comprehensive paperwork on servicing - most folks reducing running costs by servicing the engines themselves (which many on this forum also do). So possible that I will end up buying blind - high risk strategy I know.
Targa might seem not to die - but what about their engines - and at what cost to keep them alive?
Next week I'm off on my travels again - hoping to view a 1994 Sunseeker 34 Portofino (VP AQ41), a 1991 Sunseeker 38 Martinique (VP KAD 41s), a 2004 Cruisers Yachts 320 Express (Mercruiser 300s), a Cranchi Zafirro 34 (VP D4) and. 1997 Crownline 330 (Yanmar 6 LPA),
Wish me luck (or steer me away from any of the above combinations).
ChromeDome
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Depends on condition, previous use and service history - documented or not.
Engine wise, to me:
2004 Cruisers Yachts 320 Express (Mercruiser 300s)? No, thank you.
1997 Crownline 330 (Yanmar 6 LPA) 2 x 315 HP, based on Landcruiser 4.2L diesels? If it is this one I'd like to know the reason for repowering a 1997 boat in 2011? If ok reason, then Yes, please.
Engine wise, to me:
2004 Cruisers Yachts 320 Express (Mercruiser 300s)? No, thank you.
1997 Crownline 330 (Yanmar 6 LPA) 2 x 315 HP, based on Landcruiser 4.2L diesels? If it is this one I'd like to know the reason for repowering a 1997 boat in 2011? If ok reason, then Yes, please.
ClaytonDJ
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It is that one. And I will ask that question - why were the original engines replaced after only 14 years. Boat has had 2 owners - current owner has had her since 2015 (so re-powered by first/previous owner). Current owner has full service history and maintenance records for Yammer engines installed in 2011.
ChromeDome
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Also ask if the original engines were same make and model.
ClaytonDJ
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....and why not to the Cruisers Yachts 320 - is it the boat or the Mercruiser engines?
ClaytonDJ
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ClaytonDJ
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Broker advises previous engines were Mercruiser petrol engines - changed due to them being too thirsty.
ChromeDome
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Huh. Valid argument but bad business case unless he used it extensively
Seastoke
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If I remember the hulls cracked.
stelican
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That was the smaller UK produced
ChromeDome
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I think Mercury/Mercruiser petrol engines are OK. Their diesels I would avoid.
For safety reasons I will never have a petrol engine in an enclosed space in the hull (I've been on a boat that exploded). So for me it's inboard=diesel, petrol=hanging off the transom outside. And no sterndrives for me either.
If shafts does it for Maersk they're plenty fine for me too.
