Pulling twin KAD44 with DPE drives

[oldgit]

When 99% of us on this forum buy any boat, grand or modest, the overwhelming priority, is hope the money does not end up in Nigeria and to get the blooming boat home, turn that key and get out there pronto.
Problems, are either ignored or fixed as you go along, usually along with large dollops of buyers regret .
Regards choice of boats, anybody with folding money gets to pick and choose from whats on the market, in Germany you have the entire EU to pick a boat from................
We are stuck with a restricted choice or the self inflicted 20% BREXIT TAX.
Do you want a boat or do you want to go boating ?

 

[Mr Googler]

In no world would I buy a boat on the understanding the seller will get the work done after I’ve bought it. There’s no need to!

It’s been surveyed, issues found. Walk away (or leave your deposit with the broker) and let the seller resolve it….then complete the deal. Any other route seems crazy in my view.

I’d walk for now until it’s fixed. You might find something else, you might not. Can always come back to this boat once resolved. It’s not going to be worth more……as has already been said, it’s now going to be a repaired boat which will put some buyers off and impact the price accordingly

 

[Seastoke]

If a boat has Osmosis ,can you ever get rid of it.?

 

[DavidJ]

Your boat looks very nice on the pics and the s37 is a fantastic boat .

But , why does the owner puts its on the market then after just a year ?

That’s a good question and one I don’t really have the answer for, just the brokers sales talk perhaps saying “trading up”. Maybe his wife doesn’t like boating, Maybe bankruptcy, Maybe severe boat problems (Pheew, if I ducked that one).
For sure a years boating has cost him £5000 in depreciation (maybe more if there was haggling)
Nice turnover for the broker though!!
I do wish you well and we are all trying to help despite what may come across as criticism

 

[PaulRainbow]

There is nothing special about the make, the model, this particular boat or the price. The seller knowingly didn't mention it has osmosis, hoping you wouldn't find out.

When you come to sell it and prospective buyers find out the boats history they will all walk away, unless it's extremely cheap. You'd have to be insane not to run away now.

 

[simonfraser]

There is nothing special about the make, the model, this particular boat or the price. The seller knowingly didn't mention it has osmosis, hoping you wouldn't find out.

When you come to sell it and prospective buyers find out the boats history they will all walk away, unless it's extremely cheap. You'd have to be insane not to run away now.

But we all know it’s tough to run away from a decision you thought was ok, but it is not now

 

[aerobat]

I do wish you well and we are all trying to help despite what may come across as criticism

I hear you and others and its very valuable opinions you all give which i think about !

Beyond the questions how to resolve all details with the seller i have two general options :

-Walk away

-See it as a chance to finally get a boat not with an assumed healthy hull but with a warrantied healthy one , including warranty issued fresh rebedded transoms and a freshly inspected transom plate , paid by anybody else .

I want to find out which of these two options is truly wise , and i,m not arguing the second one is .

There is nothing special about the make, the model, this particular boat or the price. The seller knowingly didn't mention it has osmosis, hoping you wouldn't find out.

When you come to sell it and prospective buyers find out the boats history they will all walk away, unless it's extremely cheap. You'd have to be insane not to run away now.

You are right , thought about reselling value and do not have an opinion if showing the documentation of the work is good or bad . Its true many boaters scream and run hearing osmose.

 

[Mr Googler]

I hear you and others and its very valuable opinions you all give which i think about !

Beyond the questions how to resolve all details with the seller i have two general options :

-Walk away

-See it as a chance to finally get a boat not with an assumed healthy hull but with a warrantied healthy one , including warranty issued fresh rebedded transoms and a freshly inspected transom plate , paid by anybody else .

I want to find out which of these two options is truly wise , and i,m not arguing the second one is .



You are right , thought about reselling value and do not have an opinion if showing the documentation of the work is good or bad . Its true many boaters scream and run hearing osmose.

I think you are assuming all boats suffer with osmosis and I can understand your thinking however…..many many many don’t! It’s not a given other boats will have the same hidden issues.

Don’t get me wrong, all boats have stuff that needs fixing…..that’s never ending but for 100k……very reasonable expectation to find something better. I don’t know a lot about gobbi but I would guess hull construction isn’t going to be 3 inches of glass with no core

I can see the appeal of option 2 but as said before…..get that all done whilst the boat DOES NOT belong to you in my view

 

[oldgit]

A salutory tale.
A collegue mentioned he was going to buy his very first boat and asked for advice.
Then ignored all of it.
He found a boat that needed some " work" allegedly simply due to the fact that it had been lying unused on the hard for some time.
Chap had set his heart on this boat and bought it at what he thought was good price ie less than the going rate for a decent ready to go turn key boat of which there were several examples on the market. (and remain unsold ).
This was last summer.
Will not go into the litany of stuff that needed doing to the engines and drive system etc but the boat still has problems and the "engineer" who did the work is suddenly very " unavailable" and not answering the phone to my collegue.
A new season, bills now exceeding the price any of the ready to go boats and its totally unusable........................

 

[jon and michie]

As you mentioned you're in Germany then you are lucky you have the whole of Europe to find a good boat
Without the stress of this one you are thinking of.
Don't let your heart rule your head.
You have literally 1000's to choose from.

 

[aerobat]

You have literally 1000's to choose from.

Honestly you have in entire eu maybe a handful of promising lets say s37 . In the past i,ve watched two . One with kad43 , 2800 hours and much wear and tear on it , the other had mercruiser d4.2 and leaking steering pins on both transoms . Since it was a salt water boat ( north sea ) the leaking also included corrosion damage . The third sits in denmark but was an import from croatia so i walked away . I previously looked at a fairline targa from italy . Corroded from entire life in heavy saltwater underwater and grilled from glowing sun on top . Forget it .

I,m not advocating the boat in the thread here but it does not reflect my experience of the last two years when you say there are plenty of 35-38 footers in a lovely condition without any hidden issues only waiting to be bought .

There are plenty fresh polished boats , yes .

If you can direct me to a sealine s34 or s37 in true pristine condition i would be very thankful ;-)

 

[Mr Googler]

Honestly you have in entire eu maybe a handful of promising lets say s37 . In the past i,ve watched two . One with kad43 , 2800 hours and much wear and tear on it , the other had mercruiser d4.2 and leaking steering pins on both transoms . Since it was a salt water boat ( north sea ) the leaking also included corrosion damage . The third sits in denmark but was an import from croatia so i walked away . I previously looked at a fairline targa from italy . Corroded from entire life in heavy saltwater underwater and grilled from glowing sun on top . Forget it .

I,m not advocating the boat in the thread here but it does not reflect my experience of the last two years when you say there are plenty of 35-38 footers in a lovely condition without any hidden issues only waiting to be bought .

There are plenty fresh polished boats , yes .

If you can direct me to a sealine s34 or s37 in true pristine condition i would be very thankful ;-)

https://www.boat24.com/en/powerboats/sunseeker/sunseeker-mustique-42/detail/540622/

Shaft drive…….epic hull…..the world just improved dramatically. Money left over to modernise inside a bit

 

[jon and michie]

If you can direct me to a sealine s34 or s37 in true pristine condition i would be very thankful ;-)

S34 France https://uk.boats.com/power-boats/2000-sealine-s34-8872996/
S34 Netherlands https://uk.boats.com/power-boats/1998-sealine-s34-9313097/

S37's
Netherlands https://uk.boats.com/power-boats/1997-sealine-s37-sports-cruiser-9657356/
Sealine (GB) Sealine S37 Open 2002 Used Boat for Sale in Nähe Amsterdam

Italy Sealine 37 2001 Used Boat for Sale in Campania
France https://uk.boats.com/power-boats/1996-sealine-sealine-s37-9183478/
This was just a quick glance - you may have seen them
and there's this in Spain For Sale 2004 Sealine S42 - Boats.co.uk

What I can say is that the chances of you finding a "Pristine" just out of the factory condition boat of 20+ years is slim - I totally get where you are coming from wanting to be on the water but don't give yourself unnecessary stress.

 

[aerobat]

S34 France https://uk.boats.com/power-boats/2000-sealine-s34-8872996/
S34 Netherlands https://uk.boats.com/power-boats/1998-sealine-s34-9313097/

S37's
Netherlands https://uk.boats.com/power-boats/1997-sealine-s37-sports-cruiser-9657356/
Sealine (GB) Sealine S37 Open 2002 Used Boat for Sale in Nähe Amsterdam

Italy Sealine 37 2001 Used Boat for Sale in Campania
France https://uk.boats.com/power-boats/1996-sealine-sealine-s37-9183478/
This was just a quick glance - you may have seen them
and there's this in Spain For Sale 2004 Sealine S42 - Boats.co.uk

What I can say is that the chances of you finding a "Pristine" just out of the factory condition boat of 20+ years is slim - I totally get where you are coming from wanting to be on the water but don't give yourself unnecessary stress.

Oh dear ... many of the boats you listed were surveyed and visited by me , including the one with leaking steering pins on the merc engine / bravo drives / corrosion as hell and one of them is a real fraud with nice pics made years ago but currently in a really really worn condition .

I,m not joking .

With "pristine" i do not mean factory new but with normal weae amd tear of normal use , but not damaged / rusted and with hidden secrets where the seller tries to let it go because major repairs are imminent.

Nevertheless thanks !

 

[DavidJ]

I used to moor my boat at Empuribrava, Spain and in a few days time is their annual secondhand boat show which they claim is the largest in Spain and it is HUGE
check out
Fira del Vaixell d'ocasió Port Empuriabrava – Vaixells de tot tipus

 

[jon and michie]

Oh dear ... many of the boats you listed were surveyed and visited by me , including the one with leaking steering pins on the merc engine / bravo drives / corrosion as hell and one of them is a real fraud with nice pics made years ago but currently in a really really worn condition .

I,m not joking .

With "pristine" i do not mean factory new but with normal weae amd tear of normal use , but not damaged / rusted and with hidden secrets where the seller tries to let it go because major repairs are imminent.

Nevertheless thanks !

No Worries like I said it was a quick glance.
When I got my first boat I wanted a Bavaria 300 Sport but ended up with a Sea ray 315 sold that I have been boatless for 2 seasons and just waiting on surveys to come back for my next one - which I have been on the hunt for a good one for a few years now and hopefully this one is the one Survey pending.
As a tip - email as many brokers stating what you want and what your budget is - eventually like in my case it will pay off as I got an email from a broker last February asking if I was still looking as he might have the one I was after --- I originally emailed him October / November last year --- ( I had looked at few before and since then ) -- A good one will come up Patience is the key

 

[jon and michie]

I used to moor my boat at Empuribrava, Spain and in a few days time is their annual secondhand boat show which they claim is the largest in Spain and it is HUGE
check out
Fira del Vaixell d'ocasió Port Empuriabrava – Vaixells de tot tipus

That looks good one

 

[petem]

Corroded from entire life in heavy saltwater underwater

In what way?

 

[petem]

What's your budget?

 

[aerobat]

In what way?

Corrosion / clogging / issues with heat exchangers, oil coolers , aftercoolers exhaust pipes , turbos , transoms , trim rams , thru hulls and much more .

The mediterraen sea has a really high salt content and high water temps , the saltwater humidity alone in the engine room will also eat electrical connections , pulleys and more if we are talking a ~ 2000 boat .

Surveyed a 2001 cranchi zaffiro 34 on p.mallorca and will never do it again . Pure waste for the flight / hotel .

Rust on any metal part and the seats and the canopy literally crumbling because hammered by the sun for +20 years.

Boat listed by broker "in great condition" .

My budget is ~90k euros and i,m very serious for a 34-38 footer . Twin volvo diesels but no desire for racing . Kad32 would be enough for me in e.g s34.

No flybridge