Pulling twin KAD44 with DPE drives

[Greg2]

I am going to swim against the tide a little inasmuch as I don't share the same concerns as other appear to about osmosis / moisture content in a hull. The yards are right in saying that properly treated the boat will be better than others on the market (probably better than when it was new) and it will be a known quantity if the work is properly documented by a surveyor. I would though, seek a price reduction to cater for the fact that common perception on the part of a future buyer is likely to be ill-informed in much the same way as people generally seem to think that low engine hours are always good and high hours are always bad.

On the matter of cost, it is worth considering what is actually involved, which is peeling the gel coat with a machine, hard standing for several months with regular jet washing of the hull and then the application of epoxy. That doesn't get anywhere near £30-40k to my mind and I know someone who had the hull done on a 10 metre boat for circa £15k by a respectable yard so it sounds as though someone might be inflating the cost although that might be on the basis of applying heat, which I was advised by a competent yard and separate respected boat builder is not necessary (described as a waste of time) and that time on the hard (circa 6 months) after the gel coat has been peeled is what is actually required.

I do understand why many are saying walk away but to my mind understanding what is involved, what the deal is and understanding whether you are the type of person that is happy to take on a challenge are key factors.
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[aerobat]

I am going to swim against the tide a little inasmuch as I don't share the same concerns as other appear to about osmosis / moisture content in a hull. The yards are right in saying that properly treated the boat will be better than others on the market (probably better than when it was new) and it will be a known quantity if the work is properly documented by a surveyor. I would though, seek a price reduction to cater for the fact that common perception on the part of a future buyer is likely to be ill-informed in much the same way as people generally seem to think that low engine hours are always good and high hours are always bad.

On the matter of cost, it is worth considering what is actually involved, which is peeling the gel coat with a machine, hard standing for several months with regular jet washing of the hull and then the application of epoxy. That doesn't get anywhere near £30-40k to my mind and I know someone who had the hull done on a 10 metre boat for circa £15k by a respectable yard so it sounds as though someone might be inflating the cost although that might be on the basis of applying heat, which I was advised by a competent yard and separate respected boat builder is not necessary (described as a waste of time) and that time on the hard (circa 6 months) after the gel coat has been peeled is what is actually required.

I do understand why many are saying walk away but to my mind understanding what is involved, what the deal is and understanding whether you are the type of person that is happy to take on a challenge are key factors.
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Thats exactly what i was told by professionalss in netherland regarding this issue . Two specialized fiber glass yards tell me to be smart now - i will get a better hull than new because no manufacturer of a recreational boat goes the effort to put several layers of true watertight barriers above the laminate.
they say Its only common myth to not only walk but run when osmose is found .

Its just a question of $$$

i,m getting really good support now from the yards and surveyors becuse the story got loud somebody tried to be smart and hide osmose by just a fresh antifouling and hide the probable reason for the osmose - collision spidercracks slightly above the waterline tried to cover with some decals .

The price 30-40k is euros and for everything - osmose treatment , engine / transom removal / rebedding , collision damage removal and a new painting of the hull . With hull paint closer to 40 .

I made a decision like said : a seatrail will happen with volvo mechanics and they said they will very closely survey the engines if they are really sound . If yes i will go for it , if no i will cancel the contract .

But nevertheless i hear any opinion and its a great forum ! You learn most when people tell you also different opinions than you have .

Thanks to all !!!

 

[Seastoke]

Who holds your deposit.

 

[aerobat]

The seller

 

[DavidJ]

Don’t dismiss Cranchi or Bavaria. Both good boats and very popular in Empuriabrava mentioned above

 

[DavidJ]

Just thought I’d throw this in.
Ask if ECU units for KAD44’s are still available.

 

[aerobat]

Just thought I’d throw this in.
Ask if ECU units for KAD44’s are still available.

Hopefully not needed ...

I know the '44 are a bit on the high maintanance side , valve adjustment etc ;-)

 

[jon and michie]

Thats exactly what i was told by professionalss in netherland regarding this issue . Two specialized fiber glass yards tell me to be smart now - i will get a better hull than new because no manufacturer of a recreational boat goes the effort to put several layers of true watertight barriers above the laminate.
they say Its only common myth to not only walk but run when osmose is found .

Its just a question of $$$

i,m getting really good support now from the yards and surveyors becuse the story got loud somebody tried to be smart and hide osmose by just a fresh antifouling and hide the probable reason for the osmose - collision spidercracks slightly above the waterline tried to cover with some decals .

The price 30-40k is euros and for everything - osmose treatment , engine / transom removal / rebedding , collision damage removal and a new painting of the hull . With hull paint closer to 40 .

I made a decision like said : a seatrail will happen with volvo mechanics and they said they will very closely survey the engines if they are really sound . If yes i will go for it , if no i will cancel the contract .

But nevertheless i hear any opinion and its a great forum ! You learn most when people tell you also different opinions than you have .

Thanks to all !!!

I wish you every success

I did see this one as well https://www.inautia.com/boat/2001-gobbi-375-sc-8948167/

 

[PaulRainbow]

Thats exactly what i was told by professionalss in netherland regarding this issue . Two specialized fiber glass yards tell me to be smart now - i will get a better hull than new because no manufacturer of a recreational boat goes the effort to put several layers of true watertight barriers above the laminate.
they say Its only common myth to not only walk but run when osmose is found .

That's nonsense. It's not a big job to Gelshield a new boat, or a used one for that matter. Different matter if osmosis is already present. My current boat has Gelshield, built in 1988, no sign of osmosis, previous boat was built in 1980 and also no osmosis problems. But anyway, osmosis isn't a massively common thing, even on older boats.

Its just a question of $$$

Yes, lots of them.

i,m getting really good support now from the yards and surveyors becuse the story got loud somebody tried to be smart and hide osmose by just a fresh antifouling and hide the probable reason for the osmose - collision spidercracks slightly above the waterline tried to cover with some decals .

So, now you reveal the boat has collision damage !!

The price 30-40k is euros and for everything - osmose treatment , engine / transom removal / rebedding , collision damage removal and a new painting of the hull . With hull paint closer to 40 .

I made a decision like said : a seatrail will happen with volvo mechanics and they said they will very closely survey the engines if they are really sound . If yes i will go for it , if no i will cancel the contract .

But nevertheless i hear any opinion and its a great forum ! You learn most when people tell you also different opinions than you have .

Thanks to all !!!

You've had lots of good advise from some very experienced boat owners, but you had already made your mind up before coming here. Good luck with the purchase, i hope it goes well for you.

 

[jon and michie]

Its just a question of $$$

i,m getting really good support now from the yards and surveyors becuse the story got loud somebody tried to be smart and hide osmose by just a fresh antifouling and hide the probable reason for the osmose - collision spidercracks slightly above the waterline tried to cover with some decals .

The price 30-40k is euros and for everything - osmose treatment , engine / transom removal / rebedding , collision damage removal and a new painting of the hull . With hull paint closer to 40 .

You are probably getting support from the yards because of the $$$ that will be getting spent there - The yards aren't going to turn work down and tell you to run.

But like I said - I wish you Success and hope all comes good.

Maybe document it on you tube and earn some cash from it ?

 

[aerobat]

Maybe document it on you tube and earn some cash from it ?

i just want to go boating ;-)

 

[Seastoke]

i just want to go boating ;-)

Well you won’t be going this season.

 

[aerobat]

Well you won’t be going this season

Hate to agree ... all i do now is to keep my options open .

 

[Seastoke]

Have you looked at a Astondoa 40 open, nice boat

 

[jon and michie]

@aerobat - would this be your first boat ? I ask because you said your budget 90k yet the works you mentioned are 40k regardless of who pays it - that's more or less 50% of what the boat is worth - which I would have thought if an insurance company was presented with that percentage on a claim would write it off as it wouldn't be cost effective - I am sure someone who knows more on this will chime in.

 

[aerobat]

@aerobat - would this be your first boat ? I ask because you said your budget 90k yet the works you mentioned are 40k regardless of who pays it - that's more or less 50% of what the boat is worth - which I would have thought if an insurance company was presented with that percentage on a claim would write it off as it wouldn't be cost effective - I am sure someone who knows more on this will chime in.

Hell no , i,m boating more than 20 years and had several boats .

You,re right with the costs . If this was my boat previously of course i would go for a more budget solution or better take care of it so it does not happen . Osmosis is preventive .

In this constellation , somebody hides osmosis with a new antifouling paint and signs a contract to sell me a 90k 37 footer in "great condition" i of course demand a full professional work with warranty when this came out before the boat was delivered to me let alone i drove a meter with it . It was not my fault .

An detailed engine survey will happen next days and anything depends on it . Should the engines or drives also need extensive work to be done we indeed leave common sense . Should the engines and drives be sound a 375sc is worth the work .

 

[DavidJ]

@aerobat - would this be your first boat ? I ask because you said your budget 90k yet the works you mentioned are 40k regardless of who pays it - that's more or less 50% of what the boat is worth - which I would have thought if an insurance company was presented with that percentage on a claim would write it off as it wouldn't be cost effective - I am sure someone who knows more on this will chime in.

I remember my insurance company wanted a valuation because the boat was more than 20 years old. The surveyor/valuer took researched sales data of similar boats and was not particularly swayed by latest navigation or canopies, so my guess is the boat is still worth for insurance about £90 even after the reconditioned hull. You may state more (which will add to your premium) but what will the insurance company pay out?
It’s worth shopping around because some insurance companies may pay out on declared value.

 

[jon and michie]

I remember my insurance company wanted a valuation because the boat was more than 20 years old. The surveyor/valuer took researched sales data of similar boats and was not particularly swayed by latest navigation or canopies, so my guess is the boat is still worth for insurance about £90 even after the reconditioned hull. You may state more (which will add to your premium) but what will the insurance company pay out?

Yep you're correct it doesn't matter if the canopies and the like are new its the hull and machinery.
I hope this turns out good for aerobat and interesting to see the outcome.

 

[aerobat]

The insurance is informed and its for them a value rising factor when there is a full documentation and warranty of a certified yard .

I must say i,m in unchartered waters and a bit nervous ...

 

[jon and michie]

The insurance is informed and its for them a value rising factor when there is a full documentation and warranty of a certified yard .

I must say i,m in unchartered waters and a bit nervous ...

Braver than most