New (England) restrictions impact on sailing?

[Blue Sunray]

Interesting, the paper by Imprerial College mentions at least 4. Your citation please?

Either way hardly a significant number in the scheme of things.

 

[lustyd]

I’d say exactly the opposite actually. 4 known and confirmed cases of reinfection after only 10 months is huge given those people had to contract and recover from a virus then wait and be clear before reinfection. If we’re pinning the global economy, public mental and physical well-being and freedom of movement on a vaccine then this is kind of a major point.

 

[JumbleDuck]

Interesting, the paper by Imprerial College mentions at least 4. Your citation please?

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/laninf/article/PIIS1473-3099(20)30764-7/fulltext

 

[JumbleDuck]

I’d say exactly the opposite actually. 4 known and confirmed cases of reinfection after only 10 months is huge given those people had to contract and recover from a virus then wait and be clear before reinfection.

 

[lustyd]

You’re quoting a case study of one patient as a source of proof that only one patient was reinfected. ? don’t give up your day job!

 

[RJJ]

You are saying that teachers are just individuals and not worthy of protection???

You're just agreeing with my point....they're basically being treated as cannon fodder. No protection but exposed to the virus.....crack on, as you say, take one for the team!

No I am disagreeing. We are not trying to protect individuals from infection. Government policy on repression (not that I support it) intends to reduce the overall level of infection in the community, in order to minimise risk to the group of very vulnerable. It accepts that risk remains, to a degree, for all individuals while infection is still in circulation. Everyone as in nurses, teachers, supermarket workers, people who must take public transport to work, the police etc, and indeed.. everyone, including the vulnerable, who are well- advised to shield.

The person that you cite with a chemo-partner is an individual, not a community risk. It makes sense to me to say "keep the person out of school in order better to shield the vulnerable individual". And let's discuss what measures / compensatory measures might be desirable. To protect individuals, shielding is the answer.

It could make sense (although I would disagree on the cost/benefit) to say "close all schools because that will make collective protection more effective".

It doesn't make sense to say "close all schools in order to shield all school employees and their partners" because of a tiny handful of individuals at risk. If it did, you would be closing every business in the country. Nobody dies of Covid; anyone without a kitchen garden, farm or source of forage dies of starvation.

 

[JumbleDuck]

You’re quoting a case study of one patient as a source of proof that only one patient was reinfected. ? don’t give up your day job!

The reason that case was interesting enough to be published is that it was, when it came out, the only case where genetic evidence had been used to prove that reinfectiion by a different strain had occurred. Previous cases are believed to have been mainly infections lying dormant and then flaring up again.

You still reckon that 4 reinfections out of 33.5m recoveries (not counting the millions who have caught and recovered CV without coming to official attention) is a "huge" number?

 

[lustyd]

Yes, given the time frame and the number of people recording specifically reinfections. Remember that those cases have to meet extremely specific criteria to count.
If you use the 33.5M number above that’s less than 0.5% of the population after a year. We must take off at least a month, probably two for recovery, plus several weeks for becoming sick to the point of awareness. Take away another two months for the period where the patient was proven to be free from virus and healthy. Take a further month for writing the paper and reviews. Now we must assume that those who had it were more careful than average so we’d expect a smaller number of reinfections not to mention we are only looking at cases where the patient has been tracked closely enough to know for sure. So...0.5% of the number of cases in June/July? I’d say 4-5 documented and fully written up seems sensible.

 

[SaltyC]

I see your point
how about this one.

• People will be told to stay at home except for education, work (if it can't be done from home), exercise and recreation, medical reasons, shopping for food and other essentials, or to care for others

I can't carry out the 'necessary work' on my boat without an overnight - in solitary confinement!

Cynically MDL are quite happy to lift / launch boats and maintain there income stream without you being there to check all is OK - unless local and day trip distance. Will they underwrite the repair cost of any damage due to their negligence not checking mooring lines and fenders properly whilst excluding you from site?

 

[lustyd]

Could be worse, Premier moved mine without my permission and without telling me, just an hour after I left the marina. The broke a fender and a brand new rope on that occasion.

 

[JumbleDuck]

Yes, given the time frame and the number of people recording specifically reinfections. Remember that those cases have to meet extremely specific criteria to count.

Four. Out. Of. At. Least. Thirty. Five. Million.

 

[lustyd]

I’ve updated my post. It’s not 4 out of 35 million if you think about it for more than a second. Have a read above.

 

[Blue Sunray]

Four. Out. Of. At. Least. Thirty. Five. Million.

I do hope that you typed that slowly.

 

[lustyd]

He’d have had to judging by his responses here. The full stops just make it funnier how wrong it is.

 

[SaltyC]

Absolutely I do. What we're seeing here isn't working towards that goal though, is it? The number of things remaining open is insane. Schools and universities are the biggest risk areas already and they will continue as they have been. Delivery drivers will still be free to go house to house like Typhoid Mary. Airports and ports will remain open, as will public transport. The latest scientific studies have shown that immunity is already being lost by those who have had Covid, which, if true, means that any vaccine will be innefective at best. That's assuming we can still afford one having bought hundreds of millions of doses of vaccine which had not been tested and has now proved worthless. The virus isn't spreading because a small number of people aren't wearing masks or sanitising - the vast majority are and the virus is spreading faster than before we brought in those measures. Cut through the BS and you'll quickly see how little the government know about what to do, and how most decisions are based on the idea of "We must do something, This is something, Therefore, we must do this.". The idea that it's pointless never enters their minds - they just like to look busy.

All the government have achieved so far is a massive reduction in personal freedom, huge mental health issues, a society with dwindling fitness and potential long term health implications of a sedentary lifestyle, and ruin of the economy.

OUCH!! I thought I was the only cynical one of the Public Sector / Establishment mentality "We must do something, This is something," This is SOMETHING so we've done our job. The idea that it's pointless never enters their minds - they just like to look busy.

OOOOHHH Cheeky Raffiki lost her keel we need to do something - MGN's if you go aground you MUST be hauled out and inspected, After grazing the soft East Coast mud?
Owners have to employ 'professionals' to do all maintenance.

It just shows a total lack of understanding of those in the public sector.

 

[FlyingGoose]

How do you know your little one hasn't had COVID? Was she tested?
What 4 viruses has she had?

As per the NHS 101 service and the School advice , these were common viruses that the school were being hit with , which happens every year my daughter goes back ,
As a parent that does not panic I took this as ok and no test needed, no doubt out of the 500 kids some would have been tested, but there has been no reports of the virus in any children at the school
As for what viruses she had , I did not receive my usual chemistry kit from Santa this year so unfortunately I could not test her in my usual scientific way.
Also when she or myself or even the the wife get a virus we do not go to the doctors to determine what strain we have picked up.
Although i catalogue all my viruses , this year could not be arsed

 

[Blue Sunray]

It just shows a total lack of understanding of those in the public sector.

'of' or 'by' ?

 

[SaltyC]

Could be worse, Premier moved mine without my permission and without telling me, just an hour after I left the marina. The broke a fender and a brand new rope on that occasion.

I assume they replaced all at their cost?

 

[lustyd]

I honestly couldn’t be bothered discussing it with them. I’ve cut the rope down at the dodgy bit and replaced. It’s a pain because any time they go near the boat I have to do a 3 hour drive to retie the lines and check for damage. Movement is a regular thing unfortunately as apparently it’s hard to keep track of what boats go where in a marina

 

[Mark-1]

On the contrary, just sort through the worldometer table.
Many countries have done much better than the UK, with its "world beating" test and trace system.
Nothing to do with atypical outliers, some just have better governance.

Like Cambodia and Laos. They may not do a very good job with maternal mortality but they have superb governance and the medical skill to crush covid just by being better than us.

And Germany have a capable leader - a scientist and yet here they are with a 1300pc increase. Useless governance must be to blame.

Weird how the vast majority of nations choose disease when it’s so easy to suppress.