New (England) restrictions impact on sailing?

[SaltIre]

If only we hadn't gone out for that second walk then everything would have been OK

If you say so.

 

[Lucky Duck]

If you say so.

Wasn't your point that people doing things that were lawful but contrary to 'guidance' was the cause of the problems, no?

 

[SaltIre]

Wasn't your point that people doing things that were lawful but contrary to 'guidance' was the cause of the problems, no?

You seem to think your second walk was the cause of the problems, no?

 

[Mark-1]

If only we hadn't gone out for that second walk then everything would have been OK

I missed a day's exercise in the spring and did a run and a cycle ride the following day to make up. ...and now look where we are. .

 

[lustyd]

I forgot to sanitise my hands a week last Thursday so it’s as much my fault as yours. ?

 

[jimi]

The boat is as safe as our house for us, the only people that go on the boat are me & SWMBO plus the dogs.

 

[Lucky Duck]

Apart from the home the boat is as safe as our house for us, the only people that go on the boat are me & SWMBO plus the dogs.

This was the frustrating thing, during March and April we were pretty much limited to the same footpaths everyone else in the local area was using.

As soon as the restrictions were lifted the number of people outside of my household I was in contact with plummeted.

Edit - off to the boat now, a journey I wouldn't have undertaken until king boris's announcement yesterday

 

[ip485]

Yup. It might be the same this time - selfish individuals finding ways of evading what is being asked of them.

Evading - doing soemthing illegal

Avoiding - doing something legal

You cant actually evade in a legal sense anything that is being asked of you.

Whether it is sensible to do what is asked of you is enitrely a different matter.

 

[ip485]

As for boats the Government have had plenty of opportunity to think it through this time.

They have decided Estate Agents can remain open because they have taken appropriate measures, Both existing and new house sales can proceed.

On the other hand car showrooms must close, Clearly they havent learnt their lessons especially well.

Golf courses (occurpied these days largely be elderly and responsible people) shall also close, even though this is the only excercise many elderly people do, and one of the few sports that involves vast social distancing and bubbling with one other person (which is allowed).

and marinas which fall into a broadly similiar category obvioulsy have aslo been very naughty because presumably boat sales cant continue, but who know maybe day sailing will be permitted as a recreation for the elderly salties who probably dont mix with anyone when it comes to sailing. At my marine I would guess at this time of year more than 75% of boaters are partner and partner in normal times, rising to 85% if you include another family member or two on board (children).

It is probably one of the main sources of excercise (mental and physical) for many.

It is good to see they have thought it through so well.

 

[Seven Spades]

This lockdown is unfortunate becasue I wanted to get my boat to France for Brexit. The window of opportunity is closing, December 5th to the 31st. The one thing that is worrying me is that post 31st December we are not EU citizens and will France let us into the country to retrieve our boats, they are not letting third party citizens into France in this pandemic except for a few countries on a list and I am sure . The safest way is to be on the boat ver new year and hope for good weather for the cold return journey.

Absolutely I do. What we're seeing here isn't working towards that goal though, is it? The number of things remaining open is insane. Schools and universities are the biggest risk areas already and they will continue as they have been. Delivery drivers will still be free to go house to house like Typhoid Mary. Airports and ports will remain open, as will public transport. The latest scientific studies have shown that immunity is already being lost by those who have had Covid, which, if true, means that any vaccine will be innefective at best. That's assuming we can still afford one having bought hundreds of millions of doses of vaccine which had not been tested and has now proved worthless. The virus isn't spreading because a small number of people aren't wearing masks or sanitising - the vast majority are and the virus is spreading faster than before we brought in those measures. Cut through the BS and you'll quickly see how little the government know about what to do, and how most decisions are based on the idea of "We must do something, This is something, Therefore, we must do this.". The idea that it's pointless never enters their minds - they just like to look busy.

All the government have achieved so far is a massive reduction in personal freedom, huge mental health issues, a society with dwindling fitness and potential long term health implications of a sedentary lifestyle, and ruin of the economy.

you do realise that if it Is accepted that there is no vaccine available then we have no choice but to remove all restrictions and everyone will just have to take their chances. We cannot live indefinitely with on off lockdowns, it is ok in the short term whilst waiting for a vaccine, but if there is no possibility of a lockdown we will have to just get on with life and let Darwinism do it’s worse.

 

[lustyd]

Yes and given the evidence we should do that now and get on with life. A vaccine is no use if immunity lasts only two months, which appears to be the case. We will, of course, spend £1Bn learning that lesson to ensure MPs don’t lose money on their shares in pharma companies.

 

[jimi]

My understanding is that whilst infection may not provide a robust path to future immunity it does not rule a vaccine out for doing so. It is also good to avoid a big viral load, my (limited) understanding is that the immune system may cope better with a small load leading to either asymptomatic or less serious infection. The heaviest viral load appears to be from prolonged exposure to aerosol transmission from an infected person. As has been said many times, masks don't stop you receiving but will inhibit you transmitting. Over this year I've done a lot of cycling (6500 miles) and my observations when out and about is that as time has progressed people have got less concerned about groups and social distancing and its no real surprise te infection rate has taken off.

 

[SaltIre]

I love the facts when people have no child at school,
Scottish schools have been opened since Augusr a minority had cases and were dealt with , my daughter is in a school of 500 and over 40 teachers , were still awaiting this mass virus called Covid, strangely enough my little one has had 4 viruses since being at school but still no Covid and I’m in tier three in Scotland.

How do you know your little one hasn't had COVID? Was she tested?
What 4 viruses has she had?

 

[ip485]

Yes and given the evidence we should do that now and get on with life. A vaccine is no use if immunity lasts only two months, which appears to be the case. We will, of course, spend £1Bn learning that lesson to ensure MPs don’t lose money on their shares in pharma companies.

This is wrong, and potentially dangerous, based on the best science at the moment, but a commonly held view.

This is worth watching which I think is as good a summary as any.

The video discusses the reasonably sound evidence that immunity is probably long lived, and maybe very long lived, and also why a vaccine was not developed for SARS, but which doent mean it will not be developed for COVID.

 

[Lucky Duck]

This is wrong, and potentially dangerous, based on the best science at the moment, but a commonly held view.

This is worth watching which I think is as good a summary as any.

The video discusses the reasonably sound evidence that immunity is probably long lived, and maybe very long lived, and also why a vaccine was not developed for SARS, but which doent mean it will not be developed for COVID.

The problem is we had an MP give speach in parliament saying immunity is not long lived. The very same one mentioned in Whitty's speach I referred to elsewhere on these forums.

Back to the OP, my understand is that the current expectation is that marina will close on Thursday.

 

[jimi]

The problem is we had an MP give speach in parliament saying immunity is not long lived. The very same one mentioned in Whitty's speach I referred to elsewhere on these forums.

Back to the OP, my understand is that the current expectation is that marina will close on Thursday.

I would'nt listen to anything an MP says, their relationship with facts and truth is often tenuous. Prime example is the current PM to whom the truth is alien.

 

[RAI]

Of course, there are countries which have effectivey defeated the virus by using an adequate test, trace and isolate system.
However, that's not applicable to the UK.

 

[Blue Sunray]

Of course, there are countries which have effectivey defeated the virus by using an adequate test, trace and isolate system.
However, that's not applicable to the UK.

On occasions living in an authoritarian state can be an advantage, though I suspect not what the UK population as a whole would want.

 

[st599]

Yes and given the evidence we should do that now and get on with life. A vaccine is no use if immunity lasts only two months, which appears to be the case. We will, of course, spend £1Bn learning that lesson to ensure MPs don’t lose money on their shares in pharma companies.

They didn't say immunity lasted a few months, just antibodies. There are other papers in the BMJ and elsewhere stating that Tcell immunity is likely to be long lasting, and that the vaccine phase 2 trials were looking good.

 

[RAI]

On occasions living in an authoritarian state can be an advantage, though I suspect not what the UK population as a whole would want.

Actually , I fancy New Zealand myself, but there are plenty of democracies to choose from. See
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