You big-girls-blouses don't like holes in boats...??

[davel]

Re: The time has come...

Absolutely not.
As I said in my previous post, I'm convinced that if I punched a hole in my boat below the waterline in any realistic scenario, it would sink - this despite the presence of lockers and low level bulkheads that might help contain the inflow for a while.

PS why don't you agree with my opinions?

Dave L.

 

[Twister_Ken]

Re: I also wouln\'t be too sanguine

Now we're getting interesting. So we're stopped. Our forepeak underbunk locker is flooded with approx 1.5 tons of water (see below). If it's flat calm, we might get away with it by stuffing t-shirts into limber holes, etc. But if there's any sort of seaway we've got the bow pitching and rolling and imparting that movement to 1.5 tons of unbaffled fluid which is being held back by a metre high 10mm plywood sheet, supported only along the sides, and probably reinforced by a fashion piece across the top edge.

I think I'd be winding up the VHF, getting the liferaft ready to go, and grabbing stuff to stuff into the grab bag. Only after that, would I start trying to shore the bulkhead, and only after that would I worry about plugging the hole. Meanwhile, with my other hand, I'd be pumping like buggery on the bilge pump in the cockpit.

(I don't defend YOUR opinions, but I'll agree with your right to express them).

 

[vyv_cox]

Re: Oh, and let\'s put paid to the myth

About 100 litres, I would have said. You mentioned 200 litres, I think.

 

[Opinionated]

Re: The time has come...

OK, so your boat is a submarine! I know when I am beaten.

Hey, I am happy for you to have an opinion (I'll bet your opinion of me would be interesting) but I don't have to AGREE with it.


(I don't agree with YOUR opinions, but I'll defend your right to express them).

 

[Twister_Ken]

Tee-hee, trick question

A Beaufort F8 is not a windspeed, at least not as described by the good Admiral. It's a wind-effect (on water, on sails, on marina managers' baseball caps, on trees, on pub signs, whatever). Thus, a high pressure F8 would have a slower wind speed than a low pressure F8.

So there.

 

[Opinionated]

Re: The time has come...

PS. I misread your post - too much hurry - I have changed my 'signature' to reflect what I meant to say.

Your boat must have a v. low freeboard, what is it?

(I don't have to agree with YOUR opinions, but I'll defend your right to express them).

 

[Opinionated]

Re: I also wouln\'t be too sanguine

First of all, it isn't 1.5tonnes (see below, yourself).

The boat is rolling, you're seasick and don't want to be below, and it is very wet. If you don't do something sensible, you might just as well retreat to VHF and let your beloved go. No, what you do is start to jam stuff, spare oilies, a sail, anything... into the hole - jamming it in place with half an oar from your gummiboat, and praise KH for giving you a chance to save your lovely boat. What's wrong with you, Ken? You are made of better stuff than these pusillanimous postings.

OK, you might want to put out a PANPAN just to get everything ready, but your boat is half-empty of water, not half-full!!

(I don't have to agree with YOUR opinions, but I'll defend your right to express them).

 

[davel]

Errol Flynn

I've got this mental image of you as Errol Flynn fighting off a party of Blackbeards maurauding mob !

Look out, Jimi's sneaking up behind you - that's it, kick the table over - now quick, grab that bottle and smash it over Twister-Ken's head. Who's that swinging in from the right on the chandalier - it's jamesjermain. Run him through with your cutlass.

ARGH, here comes zefender weilding a flaming torch. Up the steps and kick the oil lamp in his face!

Well - it makes me smile anyhow!


Dave L.

 

[zefender]

Re: Nice one Dave!..NM

..

 

[Opinionated]

Re: Errol Flynn

Davel,

That's the best posting of them all. That is exactly how it felt, but now the game is over. I have to do other things. (Hmmm, Errol Flynn.... yes, I like that!).

My original posting was quite serious, go look at Nic35, Bowman40 and Rustler36. They are all solid boats with features as I have explained.

What was surprising was the vehemence of the replies. Perhaps I shouldn't have started so provocatively with BGB title line.

I shall return.

(I don't have to agree with YOUR opinions, but I'll defend your right to express them).

 

[Twister_Ken]

Case study time

Forrard bunk space. A double with a narrow foot. Approx, 2 m on long sides, approx 1.5 metres across head. Draw that as a triangle. Flip the triangle and lay it alongside the first, you now have a parrallelogram 2m on one side, 1.5 metres on other, total surface area 3 sqm. so half that surface area 1.5sqm. Height of bulkhead at rear, approx I m, at front approx 0.5m. Split the difference and call it .75m. Therefore cube of space is 1.5 x .75 = 1.125 cum. I cum of fresh water is 1 tonne. Seawater is heavier.

Now if the hole were under the turn of the transom I could flood the entire engine space, which is considerably bigger and communicates in a very free and easy fashion with the bilge.

Funnily enough this is what happened to a Twister moored on Lymington river, when a fixing in the mid height rudder attachment strap let go. The resulting hole, about the diameter of one of my missing 3B pencils, and just on the waterline, allowed the boat to reach the decks-awash stage before the HM spotted it on his stroll after Christmas Dinner.

 

[Twister_Ken]

I\'ve never understood the expression

"Hung like Errol Flynn". I thought he died of cirrhosiss of the liver.

 

[Opinionated]

Re: Case study time

Think, Ken, think. Each bunk in the front of your Twister is split in two, innit? Have you the guts to come back here after your next visit and tell us what it really works out at?

(I don't have to agree with YOUR opinions, but I'll defend your right to express them).

 

[davel]

Re: I\'ve never understood the expression

....and most donkeys seem to end up in the knackers yard!

Dave L.

 

[JeremyF]

Opinionated rude??

Of course he is being rude. And a good thing too.

I think there should be a 'Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells' forum for those who want to hurumph about the shocking decline in the moral standards of internet fora.

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[Twister_Ken]

Oi! You can\'t run away now.

Come back you coward and I'll bite your ankles.

 

[Twister_Ken]

Re: Case study time

Each bunk in the front of your Twister is split in two, innit?

Nope. There is a 'frame' down the middle but with a great big hole innit. And if I hit this obstruction in your boat, dead on the stem, it would fill both compartments.

 

[Opinionated]

Re: Tee-hee, trick question

And the good admiral, Beaufort, had an F10 as Gale Force 10 - we've come a long way from his days, the scales are all published and they are arranged according to wind speed in knots. I accepted your little question, why weazle at the answer?

(I don't have to agree with YOUR opinions, but I'll defend your right to express them).

 

[Opinionated]

Re: Case study time

Oh well, tough tits.

(I don't have to agree with YOUR opinions, but I'll defend your right to express them).

 

[Twister_Ken]

No, no, it can\'t possibly have happened...

Press Notice No: 298/02
Tuesday, 26 November 2002                               

FALMOUTH COASTGUARD CO-ORDINATE RESCUE OF TWO ENGLISH YACHTSMEN 10 MILES OFF THE COAST OF MALAYSIA

At 2245 hrs yesterday Falmouth Coastguard received a call via satellite telephone from two yachtsmen, 10 miles off the coast of Malaysia.

The men reported that their yacht had hit an object and was holed and sinking and that they were taking to their liferaft.

The yacht had sunk in less than 10 mins.

(Benjenbav, obviously)