There goes the neighbourhood!

[dunedin]

Suffice to say I left the land of my birth at the age of two.
Twenty one years come February since my boat and I first arrived in Chile.
Hands up all those who like it when rallies pass through their chosen cruising ground.

But that surely is classic NIMBY-isn - one incomer is concerned about other incomers following in their wake?

 

[Frank Holden]

But that surely is classic NIMBY-isn - one incomer is concerned about other incomers following in their wake?

Not really, some of my amigos reckon I am to blame for encouraging people to come to the region through my writings.
I'm currently preparing a new guide but this will do in the meantime.

2020.2 Chilean Anchorages.pdf


7500 views and 1500 downloads - I should have monetised it.


I just don't like the rally mentality.
It's not just lack of facilities at either end , most of the anchorages are overcrowded with three boats in them.

 

[capnsensible]

Suffice to say I left the land of my birth at the age of two.
Twenty one years come February since my boat and I first arrived in Chile.
Hands up all those who like it when rallies pass through their chosen cruising ground.

Gonna throw the stats here! We get loads, notably the ARC, plus many other cruisers and rallies. Currently it's the Mini Globe. Both of us enjoy watching all of this and it is nice to have memories of when we did that stuff ourselves.

 

[RunAgroundHard]

… Hands up all those who like it when rallies pass through their chosen cruising ground.

I can understand the sentiment. When I looked at the course on the link in your OP, I was glad that it was not Norway, Iceland, Greenland, areas I am planning to cruise (we shall see). However, your AIS images do suggest that the masses have arrived.

The days of a few, adventurist sailors are long gone. It’s open season everywhere with a YouTube video to prove it.

I think there is room for everyone and rallies will come and go, but the purist will persist and thrive.

 

[Roberto]

If so seems odd to go somewhere not your own country then grumble when other people also visit?

Sorry, it's the other way around
It's not "other people", a rally (like the ARC) often crowds out anyone else on the spot, let alone Las Palmas, Mindelo too everything is booked and reserved for the Arc, no diesel no engineers no supermarkets not anything for anyone else before all Arc participants were satisfied. rather than 'other people' I'd call those paying invaders.
Someone arrives in your peaceful anchorage in Scotland, or whatever, 'Please leave now, this area is fully booked for two three weeks', the next place you ll find water, diesel, a mechanic, etc is 100 200 x00 miles from here'. Happy to leave the place, aren't you surely?
Absolute respect for anyone's way of cruising, rally or not rally each to their own ways, but as they say of freedom, it stops where other people's freedom begins, otherwise other terms seem a lot more appropriate.
Being summoned everywhere 'come back when the Arc has left' has absolutely nothing to do with sharing a common cruising ground with other fellow sailors.

 

[Frank Holden]

I can understand the sentiment. When I looked at the course on the link in your OP, I was glad that it was not Norway, Iceland, Greenland, areas I am planning to cruise (we shall see). However, your AIS images do suggest that the masses have arrived.

The days of a few, adventurist sailors are long gone. It’s open season everywhere with a YouTube video to prove it.

I think there is room for everyone and rallies will come and go, but the purist will persist and thrive.

The masses are down around Puerto Williams and Ushuaia where the -mainly illegal - charter trade is based. Few venture west of Cabo Froward.
Pic below shows *all* the shipping between Froward and Golfo de Penas just now. The fishing boats heading SE towards the western entrance of Magallanes are PRC squid boats off to plunder the South Atlantic.

 

[capnsensible]

Sorry, it's the other way around
It's not "other people", a rally (like the ARC) often crowds out anyone else on the spot, let alone Las Palmas, Mindelo too everything is booked and reserved for the Arc, no diesel no engineers no supermarkets not anything for anyone else before all Arc participants were satisfied. rather than 'other people' I'd call those paying invaders.
Someone arrives in your peaceful anchorage in Scotland, or whatever, 'Please leave now, this area is fully booked for two three weeks', the next place you ll find water, diesel, a mechanic, etc is 100 200 x00 miles from here'. Happy to leave the place, aren't you surely?
Absolute respect for anyone's way of cruising, rally or not rally each to their own ways, but as they say of freedom, it stops where other people's freedom begins, otherwise other terms seem a lot more appropriate.
Being summoned everywhere 'come back when the Arc has left' has absolutely nothing to do with sharing a common cruising ground with other fellow sailors.

I'm gonna disagree with this too. For sure Las Palmas is rammed in November but there are some nicer marinas on the south coast of Gran Canaria. Plus it's been going on for over 20 years and everyone knows about it.

The ARC+ of around 90 boats are in Mindelo for 4 to 5 days. That means for around 355 days or more, they aren't. It's just a busy place in November and December anyway with lots of non rally boats. You may have to wait for mechanical assistance, but I've never had a problem with getting diesel or victuals.

The only place I've ever been held up by a couple or days by a rally was Shelter Bay, Panama. We arrived in the middle of an Oyster Yacht rtw rally so had an extra couple of days in the queue for the canal transit. So 9 or so days turned into 11. The marina has a swimming pool and a free bus to Colon twice a day. It was not penal servitude.....

So my view is that rallies spend a bit of money locally and don't stay long. Temporary inconvenience to those used to sailing anyway.....

I can see the problem in cruise ship destinations but a few yachties? Nah.

 

[capnsensible]

If you want to see overcooked, avalook on this site for cruisers between the southern tip of the americas and Antarctica

Cruise Ship Tracker, Itineraries, Schedules, Deck Plans - CruiseMapper

 

[mjcoon]

I think you need to invest in a box or two of these ?
View attachment 187553

Per Slocum?

 

[mjcoon]

But that surely is classic NIMBY-ism - one incomer is concerned about other incomers following in their wake?

Just like some UK politicos?

 

[Blueboatman]

Per Slocum?

Indeed!