You big-girls-blouses don't like holes in boats...??

[Opinionated]

You big-girls-blouses don\'t like holes in boats...??

How about this one....

I have read (and stood on the sidelines) the disputes about my plastic BenJenBavDuffer vs your OldGaffTwisVancRussler, and noted that one of the significant differences between them is never mentioned.

Is this, I wonder, because it is a state secret? Maybe, but I am going to blow the gaff (??).

Go look at your boat, whatever it is, and decide what will happen if it is holed below the waterline (say 1ft below the w/l and 1 ft back from the stem).

If it is a MarinaBoat, it will sink. If it is a DecentBoat it will be so constructed that penetrations of the skin will compromise only a box-like compartment, say under a forward bunk, but will then come up against a constructional 'wall' of some sort. I

I noticed at SBS, how many modern boats have dropped this design objective, and how some residual 'good' designs hang on to it.

A famous Svedisher named boat had an underbunk drawer, with stowage for your clothes, easily accessible by pulling our the drawer. When I pointed out that any holing below the waterline in that area would allow water to flood the whole boat, I was looked at as if I were Irish, and told 'this is a Hmmm Arrrrr, such things do not occur'.

Look forward to more interesting bollocks in reply....



IMHO, of course.

 

[jimi]

Oh Eagle Eater ?

Good to see you've come to your senses and recognised that holes in boats are a bit of a danger! How many boats have you holed in such a fashion so far? Would suggest you have a look at the Etap if you're making a bit of a habit of this.

 

[sailbadthesinner]

Re: You big-girls-blouses don\'t like holes in boats...??

so are you that the ben jav brigade are more likely to sink if holed?
but that is to some degree preventable

they are built to a price
it would appear this is part of the price you pay

Wedding can be an anagram of 'JUST HANDOVER THE MONEY' if you can't spell.

 

[Opinionated]

???

Jimi, quick knee-jerk posting that... bright, too... gosh bet your dad was proud of you! But answer the question, what would happen in your boat for the scenario I suggested (I know you wouldn't be seen dead in an Etap!!).

IMHO, of course.

 

[Opinionated]

Re: You big-girls-blouses don\'t like holes in boats...??

And what is your boat? Does it flood if holed as I asked?

Yeah, ALL the benjenbavduffers would sink.

IMHO, of course.

 

[dickh]

Re: You big-girls-blouses don\'t like holes in boats...??

My boat WON'T sink if holed as you describe - proved last year after I fitted a new depth transducer under the forward bunk and 2 days later thought the boat was a bit sluggish and discovered the complete compartment under the forward bunks full of water!! I hadn't re-fitted the transducer correctly in it's housing and it was leaking slightly. Took ages to bail out.
Don't know if this was a design feature - it is a Jaguar 27 of 1974 vintage.

dickh
I'd rather be sailing... /forums/images/icons/smile.gif

 

[jimi]

Too arthritic to be knee jerk!

Thank you, but I've always been a disappointment to my parents living down to their expectations completely. However as no doubt your aware puTting a large hole in the hull of a vessel intentionally or otherwisE is a bit of a mistake. Given that I've managed this,however, my course of action would be, 1) run aground onto something soft if available,2)stuff hole full of cushions etc to stop water ingress whilst running bilge pumps & send Pan Pan or Mayday if in lifethreatening situation.

And yes if the hull does get pierced, I do'nt have a backup one.

 

[nicho]

Re: You big-girls-blouses don\'t like holes in boats...??

All Bavarias have layers of Kevlar in this area to help protect the hull from being punctured. Not likely perhaps to save the boat from severe impact should a reef be struck of course, but will help for strikes of many submerged items.

 

[nicho]

Re: You big-girls-blouses don\'t like holes in boats...??

But surely, a slightly dripping transducer, letting water ingress very slowly is unlikely to cause problems for many boats. A bloody great hole and water rushing in is quite another matter.. You might just have a tad too much confidence in your boat's ability to stay afloat in that situation - I wouldn't throw the liferaft away yet!!

 

[nicho]

Re: ???

I would'nt mind betting Jimi would be happy enough with an Etap (I'm sure however, knowing Jimi he'll say so himself...)- they are a very nice/safe/"unsinkable" range of boats. Trouble is they are pretty damned expensive - the new 36 is lovely, but the (very) bare boat is around £100K, and you need to add several more £thousands to bring it up to cruising spec (like all new boats). The double skinned hull does take up some interior space also, though that's perhaps a small price to pay for supreme safety.

Mike N

 

[Twister_Ken]

Regret to announce

that having struck an opinionated object, one foot back from bow, one foot underwater* I am now sinking depite a) not being a Benjenbav, b) being a 30 something year old design, and c) being built like a GRP shithouse.

Thank heavens for RNLI and Pantaneus.

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*Actually you'd have difficulty doing that in a Benjenbav, because most of them don't draw 1 foot that far forward.

 

[ianwright]

Re: You big-girls-blouses don\'t like holes in boats...??

"OldGaffTwisVancRussler"

I think you meant to say OldGaffTwisVertVancRussler,,,,,,or even WoodenOldGaffTwisVertRussler,,,,,,,,,,,,, forgive the correction.
IanW

Vertue 203, Patience

 

[bigmart]

Re: You big-girls-blouses don\'t like holes in boats...??

I have read your post carefully & after some initial concern I am now happy that I am perfectly safe.

There is no way, that with my level of incometence, for me to hit an object with the precision you describe.

I assume that holes in any area other than one foot back from the stem & one foot below the waterline are perfectly safe.

Martin

 

[sailbadthesinner]

Re: You big-girls-blouses don\'t like holes in boats...??

silhouette
its bilge keeled
no as the keels go a long way back.

If it F***s Flies or Floats. Rent it. For god's sake don't marry it.

 

[mtb]

Re: or

Try pushing a pencil through the hole which has line attatched .When it finds it's way to the surface tie good stronger line on to a big enough plate or sheet of timber and pull back the line with a reasonable plate or sheet of timber if you can pull tight enough this should slow the ingress of water, also you will have help re out side water pressure
cheers
Mick

http://homepage.ntlworld.com/boats
I want a steel ex trawler or tug cheap needing work

 

[Opinionated]

Re: You big-girls-blouses don\'t like holes in boats...??

Sounds like yours was a design feature, it always used to be. You should find that a hole in the boat under one of the side berths would be the same. Of course, at sea, the water would slosh around and probably overflow into the interior, but the main bulk of water would be contained in the 'compartment' (keyword) which is exactly my point. Try looking at a modern marinaboat (don't want to upset anyone further by saying BenJenBavDuffer!).

Amazing how other posters missing the point - maybe they've got sinkers? I suggested the hole where I said as representative of where you would be most likely to get a hole, but someone will probably quote some statistics to show that holes elsewhere are more common.

(Ken, Kim Holman will have made sure of it in your boat, as I am sure you are aware).

IMHO, of course.

 

[wishbone]

Re: or

If all else fails (can’t find a pencil) sling the fattest person overboard, preferable with a wet suit on, (works like a plunger) with 4 warps tied to hands and feet, use the old seafaring method of keel hauling and hey presto hole blocked off. Etaps eat your heart out!

Wishbone

 

[pathfinder]

Re: You big-girls-blouses don\'t like holes in boats...??

What exactly do you mean''was looked at as if i was irish''.I've been involved in sailing for many years and have always found that love of this pastime united us all no matter which country we hailed from.I find your comment offensive and i'm sure if black or asian were used instead of irish your post would have been pulled by now.

 

[Guest]

Airtight compartments, is it sir?

So, hold on here. Are you saying that traditional yachts have watertight bullkheads and doors? No bilge running most the length of the boat?

Or is it that a classic, being made of wood, won't sink? I suspect the pig iron in the bilges, engine etc and all the other junk aboard might have something to say about that.

Without sealed compartments or closed cell foam built into the hull layup, it's all going to sink. BenJenBavDuff, RustTwistNichwhatever.

If you are concerned, get an Etap. Might not fit with your BenJenBavDuffer disdain, but it'll stay afloat whatever befalls you.

Mike (caught by the trolls again)

 

[themount2]

Re: You big-girls-blouses don\'t like holes in boats...??

Didn't take you long to realise your supreme mistake. How's the brain - dead yet!