Daydream believer
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What ? like - stick an outboard through it?
What lessons for this week
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What ? like - stick an outboard through it?
Robin
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Launch stuff .... Just thinking ahead
But Javelin does post some great stuff and has done so recently. Worth reading through from the start.
I fully agree, just that responding to any one single post in the pack , as I nearly did, so long afterwards is somewhat pointless.
Javelin
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I guess Robin the point of this thread was just to raise some points that might be of interest that happen to me on a weekly basis.
And for that matter lessons that anyone has learn't this week.
Agreed my last update was 3 months ago but hey I've been busy. (and perhaps I've been short of lessons learn't
)
I guess I could start a new thread each time but I thought it might be less messy to keep them together.
I also have no issues with folk raising questions on issues that were highlighted earlier in the year.
Anyway if it p***s you off you can always just ignore it.
And for that matter lessons that anyone has learn't this week.
Agreed my last update was 3 months ago but hey I've been busy. (and perhaps I've been short of lessons learn't
)I guess I could start a new thread each time but I thought it might be less messy to keep them together.
I also have no issues with folk raising questions on issues that were highlighted earlier in the year.
Anyway if it p***s you off you can always just ignore it.
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Robin
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I guess Robin the point of this thread was just to raise some points that might be of interest that happen to me on a weekly basis.
And for that matter lessons that anyone has learn't this week.
Agreed my last update was 3 months ago but hey I've been busy. (and perhaps I've been short of lessons learn't
I guess I could start a new thread each time but I thought it might be less messy to keep them together.
I also have no issues with folk raising questions on issues that were highlighted earlier in the year.
Anyway if it p***s you off you can always just ignore it.
My sincerest apologies, I didn't know it was you that had resurrected the thread and I thought it was an error by a newbie But If I piss you off you can always ignore me. in the same spirit as you suggested I do
.FWIW I think your posts are both interesting and potentially very useful, but the forums do occasionally suffer from a time warp failure and old stuff gets regurgitated . I had mistakenly thought this was just such an occasion, especially bearing in mind the various forum layout changes and corrections that have been ongoing. in recent times
Once again my sincerest apologies.
Robin.
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Javelin
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No worries........ :encouragement:
Robin
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Thanks for being understanding and keep up the good work! I will look back through multiple posts more carefully next time
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ghostlymoron
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I don't know what the big hangup is about bringing old posts back is.
If someone hasn't seen it before, its a new topic to them and probably to many others. If your engines overheating, the causes and cures are the same as they've always been.
I sometimes think it's so that the person who susses out that the topic started months or years ago can show how smart they are.
If someone hasn't seen it before, its a new topic to them and probably to many others. If your engines overheating, the causes and cures are the same as they've always been.
I sometimes think it's so that the person who susses out that the topic started months or years ago can show how smart they are.
Scomber
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+1 and thanks javelin -all interesting stuff
Russ the Diver
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+2 Thanks javelin very interesting, keep posting please.
Robin
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I'm not the one called moron however.
But as I seem to piss a load of people off I guess I will take a vacation.:ambivalence: I never contribute anything much of use anyway.:disgust:
Lucky Duck
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Can't say I'd noticed that type of behaviour here, the most frequent time that people point out a thread's age is when a new poster answers something like a boat choice query long after you would expect it to be relevant and then other posters pitch in with their thoughts not realising how old the thread is...
Javelin
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It's that time of year we start to haul out, wash down and chock up and rig down for the winter.
Most of the time we know the boat design so we know what to expect when lifting.
However some are still a lot easier than others.
Rustler, Twister, Vashti, Nicholson and the like can be a pain to lift as the boat wants to slip out of the sling (soots) and positioning the aft sling is tricky as its usually up round the main hatch bulkhead area.
A little bit aft and we'll pick up on the bottom of the rudder or worse slip off the back.
Modern designs with bulbs on the keel can make life difficult as well and coupled with a sail drive the whole initial lift can be fraught without sling marks in the right place.
Yes there are boats out there with marked sling marks in the wrong place, certainly for our travel hoist.
The Nicholson 39 is tricky with a "soots" bow and aft of the keel a unprotected prop and shaft plus she's knocking on 9 tons.
The Olson 38 is similar with an unprotected prop and the keel design swept back which makes it all to easy to lift on the prop whilst being another design that has a "soots" bow.
In a hurry and in foul conditions we picked up my own boat last year on the sail drive by accident.
We spotted it before she was fully out of the water but by then the damage was done and I had to replace the diaphragms and drive mounts which cost me £700.
I've now marked on the toe rail the position of the leading edge of the rudder, fore and aft of the sail drive and fore edge of the keel.
This is far more useful than sling marks.
Once out we can have a look below the water line.
Fouling is the most obvious and on the local boats we generally know what paint was used and we can very easily see if its a good year or bad for a particular antifoul.
Overall this year the fouling is light to medium with a lot fewer barnacles than last year.
A quick shake of the rudder and prop tells us the condition of the rudder and cutlass bearings.
We've had a spate of cutlass bearings this year especially on boats fitted with feathering props.
Feathering props seem to wear out the cutlass bearing faster than folding props with a fixed prop seemingly being the easiest on the cutlass.
We think, and this is purely our speculation, that the action between fwd and reverse is a lot more clunky on the feathering prop.
After the pressure wash we can see the state of the anodes and judge to see if there'r working or not.
Also inspect the condition of the ballast keel to hull joint.
We lifted a Vic38 recently which showed a little seep of moisture between the hull and the lead ballast keel.
We investigated and one of the SS keelbolts has corroded around a 1/3 of its Dia inside where the nut was.
Some of the others show early signs of thread corrosion.
Unfortunately there is no option in this case other to drop the keel as these bolts were cast into the keel and cant be spun out.
Most of the time we know the boat design so we know what to expect when lifting.
However some are still a lot easier than others.
Rustler, Twister, Vashti, Nicholson and the like can be a pain to lift as the boat wants to slip out of the sling (soots) and positioning the aft sling is tricky as its usually up round the main hatch bulkhead area.
A little bit aft and we'll pick up on the bottom of the rudder or worse slip off the back.
Modern designs with bulbs on the keel can make life difficult as well and coupled with a sail drive the whole initial lift can be fraught without sling marks in the right place.
Yes there are boats out there with marked sling marks in the wrong place, certainly for our travel hoist.
The Nicholson 39 is tricky with a "soots" bow and aft of the keel a unprotected prop and shaft plus she's knocking on 9 tons.
The Olson 38 is similar with an unprotected prop and the keel design swept back which makes it all to easy to lift on the prop whilst being another design that has a "soots" bow.
In a hurry and in foul conditions we picked up my own boat last year on the sail drive by accident.
We spotted it before she was fully out of the water but by then the damage was done and I had to replace the diaphragms and drive mounts which cost me £700.
I've now marked on the toe rail the position of the leading edge of the rudder, fore and aft of the sail drive and fore edge of the keel.
This is far more useful than sling marks.
Once out we can have a look below the water line.
Fouling is the most obvious and on the local boats we generally know what paint was used and we can very easily see if its a good year or bad for a particular antifoul.
Overall this year the fouling is light to medium with a lot fewer barnacles than last year.
A quick shake of the rudder and prop tells us the condition of the rudder and cutlass bearings.
We've had a spate of cutlass bearings this year especially on boats fitted with feathering props.
Feathering props seem to wear out the cutlass bearing faster than folding props with a fixed prop seemingly being the easiest on the cutlass.
We think, and this is purely our speculation, that the action between fwd and reverse is a lot more clunky on the feathering prop.
After the pressure wash we can see the state of the anodes and judge to see if there'r working or not.
Also inspect the condition of the ballast keel to hull joint.
We lifted a Vic38 recently which showed a little seep of moisture between the hull and the lead ballast keel.
We investigated and one of the SS keelbolts has corroded around a 1/3 of its Dia inside where the nut was.
Some of the others show early signs of thread corrosion.
Unfortunately there is no option in this case other to drop the keel as these bolts were cast into the keel and cant be spun out.
Aurai
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On my Nic 36'
Just in case this helps.
We have worked out that if we link fore and aft sling with another sling/rope, (as low down as we can manage) there is less risk of the forward sling slipping up the forefoot in the keel.
Just in case this helps.
We have worked out that if we link fore and aft sling with another sling/rope, (as low down as we can manage) there is less risk of the forward sling slipping up the forefoot in the keel.
Javelin
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Yes we do this, usually on both sides.
Also on the Nic 36 it's also easy to catch the bottom of the rudder.
It always looks strange having so much boat sticking out aft of the aft sling.
Also on the Nic 36 it's also easy to catch the bottom of the rudder.
It always looks strange having so much boat sticking out aft of the aft sling.
Javelin
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I learn't this week that I'm no longer a proper sailor anymore.
One of our customers left the yard on Sunday, heading for Makkum via Den Helder. (about 140mn From Southwold NW)
The weather was 40knts from the north on Saturday and forecast 20 odd for Sunday, so the sea can be expected to be lumpy.
With somewhat raised eyebrows from us, they left at 15:00 and after enduring 30nt squalls had reefed to 3 reefs by 18:00, the wind then dropped to 5nts and their speed dropped to 3nts for around 8 hours.
She's a big boat at 52' so 3 knts speed through the night would have driven me totally nuts.
They persevered and sailed through the night and Ais showed they were back at their usual 8 knts by 10:00 for the remainder of the trip.
The thought of setting off to sail 140nm with the wind on the nose in late November is one thing and I could possibly live with that on a delivery job especially on a Hoek 52 truly classic.
But I'm sorry to say that as soon as boat speed dropped below 4knts on a November night I'd have reached for the engine starter button.
I mentioned this to a couple of colleagues in the yard who declared that I'm no longer a proper sailor and should trade my ex racing yacht in for a Motorsailor!!
One of our customers left the yard on Sunday, heading for Makkum via Den Helder. (about 140mn From Southwold NW)
The weather was 40knts from the north on Saturday and forecast 20 odd for Sunday, so the sea can be expected to be lumpy.
With somewhat raised eyebrows from us, they left at 15:00 and after enduring 30nt squalls had reefed to 3 reefs by 18:00, the wind then dropped to 5nts and their speed dropped to 3nts for around 8 hours.
She's a big boat at 52' so 3 knts speed through the night would have driven me totally nuts.
They persevered and sailed through the night and Ais showed they were back at their usual 8 knts by 10:00 for the remainder of the trip.
The thought of setting off to sail 140nm with the wind on the nose in late November is one thing and I could possibly live with that on a delivery job especially on a Hoek 52 truly classic.
But I'm sorry to say that as soon as boat speed dropped below 4knts on a November night I'd have reached for the engine starter button.
I mentioned this to a couple of colleagues in the yard who declared that I'm no longer a proper sailor and should trade my ex racing yacht in for a Motorsailor!!
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sailorman
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Binman
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that's not very kind Sailorman, where did he go wrong?Your Nav is crap too
sailorman
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Set off for Blackpool
Javelin
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Try NE, oops sorry........
