SimonA
Active member
Does this apply to inland boating as well? They'd have to arrest almost everyone on every boat around here. Everyone seems to have a bottle of wine on the go while cruising down the river.
Mike_S
New member
No, it was some old Princess type cruiser, I'll have a proper look tomorrow when I go down to move our boat back to its usual spot at the yacht club. Haven't noticed a bruised maxum down there I have to admit.
There were a few goons out at the weekend, a fletcher bravo cutting corners the wrong side of the channel marker buoys at high speed to beat everyone else to the locks and one waterskiing past Cambrian Marine on the river. Couldn't believe that one, 4 *massive* blokes on board, damn thing nearly went under when he came off the power.
There were a few goons out at the weekend, a fletcher bravo cutting corners the wrong side of the channel marker buoys at high speed to beat everyone else to the locks and one waterskiing past Cambrian Marine on the river. Couldn't believe that one, 4 *massive* blokes on board, damn thing nearly went under when he came off the power.
wakeup
Active member
Ah ah, I have just seen your boats name........ a bit rich complaining about piss heads with that boat name /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
Brayman
Active member
The Transport Minnister's statement does say it "should apply to those persons exercising a function in connection with the navigation of a vessel" so not quite like sitting in the driving seat of a stationary car. Navigation means moving I would say.
Whitelighter
Active member
Yeah, but that could mean crew, or anyone holding a rope, or might need to hold a rope in the near future.
Nice and ambiguous. I can se £££££££ in the eyes already
Nice and ambiguous. I can se £££££££ in the eyes already
nonitoo
New member
Don't know if it is still the case but surely on land a breath test can ONLY be administered by a constable.
Not sure if the RIB man qualifies for that unless of course he is a police officer.
Any attempt by a harbour employee to physically restrain you for whatever reason sounds like assault to me.
Any legal eagles out there care to comment ?
Tom
Not sure if the RIB man qualifies for that unless of course he is a police officer.
Any attempt by a harbour employee to physically restrain you for whatever reason sounds like assault to me.
Any legal eagles out there care to comment ?
Tom
Mike_S
New member
LOL, yeah, she came with that and I have enough bad luck as it is without changing it /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Major Catastrophe
New member
Most idiots I observe out on the water are quite sober. Maybe there should be a maximum limit of idiocy.
As with most of this government's legislation it will become an unenforcable can of worms.
Beside the objections I have already posted on Scuttlebutt. <span style="color:blue"> "Three things, someone may be put off calling for help if they suspect they could be even one milligram over the limit. Secondly, if you are tied up or anchored for the night and a storm blows up when into you second bottle of Chateau Tesco, any act of seeing to the safety of your boat becomes a criminal offence. Lastly, if this makes pub leavers resort to rowing their tenders instead of a 'drive' back to the boat, is that any less dangerous?
As usual we have heavy handed legislation to deal with an almost non existent problem. It should always be that if you cause an accident when in control of a boat and are found to be over the limit, the book should be thrown...hard. It should be the fear of the punishment, not the routine giving out of a punishment. </span>
I have thought of others. How do they determine who is the skipper? After all, my 14 year old niece is quite capable of conning the boat. What is the punishment going to be, fine or will they take away your car driving licence?
What if you are en-route from IOM or the continent, happily enjoying a drink and friend/skipper/wife/partner is 'in charge' of the boat. He or she falls ill. What do you do, call for help, drift until you are below the limit or take the boat to a safe port. Oh yes, I just remembered, you only have ten gallons of red in the tank because there was a chance you would be calling in at cloggyland!
I would like to point out that I don't habitually drink when on the boat, but I may have been a few milligrams over the drink driving limit, which in my eyes and the eyes of the law is a grave criminal act if driving a car. But, when driving my boat after three glasses of red, I rarely come across pedestrian crossings, have not run down anyone, but I have been known to weave a bit...but I do that even when sober.
Mark my words, some idiot will come up with a sea fishing licence next!!!
As with most of this government's legislation it will become an unenforcable can of worms.
Beside the objections I have already posted on Scuttlebutt. <span style="color:blue"> "Three things, someone may be put off calling for help if they suspect they could be even one milligram over the limit. Secondly, if you are tied up or anchored for the night and a storm blows up when into you second bottle of Chateau Tesco, any act of seeing to the safety of your boat becomes a criminal offence. Lastly, if this makes pub leavers resort to rowing their tenders instead of a 'drive' back to the boat, is that any less dangerous?
As usual we have heavy handed legislation to deal with an almost non existent problem. It should always be that if you cause an accident when in control of a boat and are found to be over the limit, the book should be thrown...hard. It should be the fear of the punishment, not the routine giving out of a punishment. </span>
I have thought of others. How do they determine who is the skipper? After all, my 14 year old niece is quite capable of conning the boat. What is the punishment going to be, fine or will they take away your car driving licence?
What if you are en-route from IOM or the continent, happily enjoying a drink and friend/skipper/wife/partner is 'in charge' of the boat. He or she falls ill. What do you do, call for help, drift until you are below the limit or take the boat to a safe port. Oh yes, I just remembered, you only have ten gallons of red in the tank because there was a chance you would be calling in at cloggyland!
I would like to point out that I don't habitually drink when on the boat, but I may have been a few milligrams over the drink driving limit, which in my eyes and the eyes of the law is a grave criminal act if driving a car. But, when driving my boat after three glasses of red, I rarely come across pedestrian crossings, have not run down anyone, but I have been known to weave a bit...but I do that even when sober.
Mark my words, some idiot will come up with a sea fishing licence next!!!
Ranger07
New member
So if you got caught having had one too many when out on the boat does that mean you'll lose you car drivers licence or will it just be a fine?
Whitelighter
Active member
What if you don't have a car driving license?
Gludy
Active member
Jezbanks - will you stand for parliament?
You will have my vote!
You will have my vote!
Gludy
Active member
Well we all have tenders under 7 metres - so if anyone approaches we all get into the tender which it is legal to be pissed in charge of ..... if no tender then inflate the liferaft and sit in it!
How do they know if your boats can go faster than 7 knots at that time? You could have oproblems meaning it can only crawl along.
How do they know if your boats can go faster than 7 knots at that time? You could have oproblems meaning it can only crawl along.
Bilgediver
Well-known member
Oh well Mike....just don t kill any albatrosses.... and stay safe
Major Catastrophe
New member
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How do they know if your boats can go faster than 7 knots at that time? You could have oproblems meaning it can only crawl along.
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That is the problem with poorly phrased and thought out law. Some jobsworth <span style="color:blue">"additional classes of persons should be designated as 'marine officials' with the powers to detain a vessel" </span> will be given the job of deciding what constitutes what.
How do they know if your boats can go faster than 7 knots at that time? You could have oproblems meaning it can only crawl along.
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That is the problem with poorly phrased and thought out law. Some jobsworth <span style="color:blue">"additional classes of persons should be designated as 'marine officials' with the powers to detain a vessel" </span> will be given the job of deciding what constitutes what.
duncan
Active member
your tender can do 7 knots suurely?
Lakesailor
New member
What does capable of more than 7 knots mean?
Is it a reference to the design speed? If I take the ignition pack off my 70hp outboard and run on my back-up Tohatsu 3.5hp then it wouldn't be able to do 35 knots anymore (I can't do that anyway on the lake) but only about 5 knots. Without the bigger engine capable of running the boat couldn't physically go faster than 7knots, so would I (at 4.6 metres) be excluded, or would plod or whoever the enforcement official is deem that the boat was capable of exceeding 7 knots.
Not that I drink when I'm out on the lake anyway. Just interested.
Is it a reference to the design speed? If I take the ignition pack off my 70hp outboard and run on my back-up Tohatsu 3.5hp then it wouldn't be able to do 35 knots anymore (I can't do that anyway on the lake) but only about 5 knots. Without the bigger engine capable of running the boat couldn't physically go faster than 7knots, so would I (at 4.6 metres) be excluded, or would plod or whoever the enforcement official is deem that the boat was capable of exceeding 7 knots.
Not that I drink when I'm out on the lake anyway. Just interested.
Gludy
Active member
I intend to have a third small engine on my next boat - so all I have to do is somehow disable the other engines and point out that the boat is a displacement boat only capable of 7 knots in its current configuration.
If there is a 5 knot speed limit on say a lake - will they only seek out boat that are capable of doing kore than 5 knots even though they are keeping within the limit?
Does capable mean 'always capable', 'sometimes capable' - capable at the the time of being questioned? What does it mean?
If there is a 5 knot speed limit on say a lake - will they only seek out boat that are capable of doing kore than 5 knots even though they are keeping within the limit?
Does capable mean 'always capable', 'sometimes capable' - capable at the the time of being questioned? What does it mean?
Kawasaki
Well-known member
So Drink Driving will soon be law?
So bring it on then! /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
So bring it on then! /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
RogerRat
New member
I liked your objections, they really show what a bag of worms this could be!
My brother sails in Canada on Lake Ontario where alchohol has been banned on board unless the vessel is moored up on a pontoon.
Interesting point there is that it is the smaller boats of less than 10 metres that the 'Coast Guard' (enforcing officers) target on the basis that it is the kids in speed boats that will be most likely to drive pi$$ed !!! /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
If the government get their act together for once (fat chance) with a little common sense, they should prosecute anyone that 'causes' an accident as a result of being over the top of a sensible limit. IMHO
My brother sails in Canada on Lake Ontario where alchohol has been banned on board unless the vessel is moored up on a pontoon.
Interesting point there is that it is the smaller boats of less than 10 metres that the 'Coast Guard' (enforcing officers) target on the basis that it is the kids in speed boats that will be most likely to drive pi$$ed !!! /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
If the government get their act together for once (fat chance) with a little common sense, they should prosecute anyone that 'causes' an accident as a result of being over the top of a sensible limit. IMHO
Hurricane
Well-known member
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Jezbanks - will you stand for parliament?
You will have my vote!
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And mine.
But he's far too intelegent to be an MP
You have to be a very special person to go into government.
IMO you have to be someone who is on an "ego trip"
I really dont think that this sort of legislation is produced by people that actually believe in it - they are just job seeking their naxt position on the ladder.
Jezbanks - will you stand for parliament?
You will have my vote!
[/ QUOTE ]
And mine.
But he's far too intelegent to be an MP
You have to be a very special person to go into government.
IMO you have to be someone who is on an "ego trip"
I really dont think that this sort of legislation is produced by people that actually believe in it - they are just job seeking their naxt position on the ladder.
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