Old boat dumping problems

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Old wooden boats could be left to rot away and disentegrate. Glass fibre will still be in the environment in 1000 years time, and as anyone who has cut grp up will know, the fibres can be viscious. Its a bit scary to think those derelicts pictured in the aricle will still be there in several 100 years time if nothing is done.

The usual conservo bleat about 'damage to the marine environment - grp is almost totally inert, provided engine oils have been disposed of, so that just clouds the issue. But the reality is that every grp moulding whether a 7ft dinghy, or a 70 ft globe trotter is here effectively for keeps unless a means of disposal can be found. Few GRP boats more than 50 years old are viable for repair, and neglect can often bring a hull to 'beyond economic repair' state much more quickly.

Another step towards boat registration, with as the article points out, the high cost of disposal being firmly buttoned to the last owner. That will kill off the 99p start EBay market as a means of disposal!

I'm told minced glassfibre makes very good road building material..... but the cost of mincing it is prohibitive.
 

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The problem with pyrolysis is what is produced in the exhaust gases which have to be captured and completely combusted in some sort of afterburner process, any leaks or failure would be catastrophic for the surrounding area. It's not to say it isn't possible but it won't be cheap to build a large scale plant and operate it safely.
 

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Until pyrolysis becomes widely available chopping up for land fill is the only answer. I've done it with angry grinders but a reciprocating saw and a good supply of blades is less antisocial.
 

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Might ask , would /could these'end of Life /Use boats form the basis for our much needed Coastal protection , around the most effected areas ? all covered with landfill and building materials

Perhaps they could start with dumping them and the landfill and building waste around places like the Exe estuary and Brixham.
 

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Perhaps they could start with dumping them and the landfill and building waste around places like the Exe estuary and Brixham.

Well went on an up river cruise at the weekend , along the North Bank , came accross this , so maybe its already started , the dunping ; But strangly enough when I posted on local FB someone came on and gave the name of the first boat , as the owner ?
Guess the expected rise in water /sea levels will in 30 years (or so) cover them all up ,
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Might ask , would /could these'end of Life /Use boats form the basis for our much needed Coastal protection , around the most effected areas ? all covered with landfill and building materials
This was done many years ago on the bank of the River Severn near sharpness , using redundant barges some made of ferro cement pulled onto the bank at an angle to prevent erosion .

They prevented the river cutting through and flooding the Sharpness to Gloucester canal.
 

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All you need now is the landfill and building waste to go with them.

Yep maybe so , but untill then , maybe them can be used for 'twitchers' as their Hide to observe from ?
Maybe an Air (or something) hoilday let , sort of , very peacefull , tranquil , remote , quiet , secluded , great wterside views , etc etc A sense of Humour needed , sort of advert
 

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I'm told that GRP makes reasonable feedstock for cement factories - but the quantities available probably aren't worth setting up the plant to shred it ready for use. But the combination of glass and organic material is pretty much what you need for cement; that and limestone.
This was done many years ago on the bank of the River Severn near sharpness , using redundant barges some made of ferro cement pulled onto the bank at an angle to prevent erosion .

They prevented the river cutting through and flooding the Sharpness to Gloucester canal.
It's been used in the Walton Backwaters, too - notably the NE corner of Horsey Island.
 

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There ought to be some pressure to develop commercial scale pyrolysis plants now that there are WTGs going up in large quantity; the volume of composite material needing to be disposed of is not getting any smaller and burying them in the ground makes a mockery of the titanic fuss green advocates stir up about nuclear waste.
 

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There ought to be some pressure to develop commercial scale pyrolysis plants now that there are WTGs going up in large quantity; the volume of composite material needing to be disposed of is not getting any smaller and burying them in the ground makes a mockery of the titanic fuss green advocates stir up about nuclear waste.
I think that the problem is that although we see it as being a big problem, in fact the quantities involved are too small for pyrolysis or even shredding for use as feedstock for cement because the economics just don't work out. How many new boats are built each year? Thousands, but probably not ten's of thousands. The weight of GRP in each hull is perhaps 2 tonnes, so we're looking at maybe ten thousand tonnes of waste per year, But that waste isn't concentrated in one place; it's distributed round the coast in large lumps that are difficult to transport, and mixed with other materials that would need manual labour to separate. The quantities wouldn't justify more than one or two processing plants, so you've got transport costs. If the end result was a high value material it might work, but it isn't - it's low-value feedstock. So the problem is an economic one - in general the cost-benefit analysis doesn't work out.

I once heard someone in the recycling business put it this way. If we think of a waste stream as a kind of ore, is it cheaper to extract things from that ore than from other sources? If the answer is yes it's worth doing, if not, it isn't.
 

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On the basis pyrolysis works for pretty well any plastic, provided exporting polymer waste is banned and putting it in landfill is taxed heavily enough it shouldn't take long for a value stream to appear.
 

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On the basis pyrolysis works for pretty well any plastic, provided exporting polymer waste is banned and putting it in landfill is taxed heavily enough it shouldn't take long for a value stream to appear.
But you've still got the issue of transporting large, unwieldy lumps of material. Given that lifting and moving a boat any significant distance is a 4 figure sum, not to mention stripping other material from them and breaking the GRP up for feeding into the reactor, your other sources of plastic waste would have to subsidize pyrolyzing boats. It's an excellent solution for non-recyclable domestic waste, but I don't see it for boats. Very happy to be proved wrong!
 
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