Old boat dumping problems

[Sandy]

Perhaps they could start with dumping them and the landfill and building waste around places like the Exe estuary and Brixham.

We have quite enough wrecks on the Exe.

 

[Halo]

Pull the engine, chop off the mast and scuttle to make an artificial reef to attract the fish - it'd make the divers and MOBO rod fishermen happy?

I read that a burned/mashed up old grp hull had put out millions of glass fibres which contaminated shellfish making them very dangerous to eat and ruling out shellfish production or eating for the forseable future in a decent size area - would you eat ground glass?? Trusting to chance that a grp reef would not do the same does not appeal to me.
I was involved in building a tyre reef in the Caribbean and this did help local fishermen but I understand that this has been ruled out in UK because of pollution.
Dry landfill seems best to ne

 

[Capt Popeye]

Hum yep 'times are a changing' for sure ; in them 'Good ole Days' we could scuttle a boat quite easily , no problems , they afforded a reef for the fish to hide in /around plus gave them Anglers a 'point' to make for to fish ; but that was when we had good ole timber boats , which could slowly rot away , rather gracefully ; But todays GRP /Plastic as we stated above , are another matter all together .

Pity

I do often wonder how Boatyards are gona cope with the abandoned boats just lef there , storage unpaid etc etc

 

[Mister E]

With the blades from Wind Turbines and other stuff the amount of GRP is increasing.

 

[Salt'n'shaken]

We have quite enough wrecks on the Exe.

They're flipping everywhere, and it's going to get a lot worse looking at the state of the strops of some of the rubbish left on moorings, especially around shelley and the gut. It's the damage they do when they come loose as well.

The port authority should pile them all together somewhere nice like Topsham and the outcry would soon get them landfilled

 

[Poignard]

One thing is clear to me, the polluter should pay for the removal and disposal of his mess.
Either directly, which will necessitate registration, or collectively, perhaps by a levy on berthing fees.
Neither would be welcomed but somebody has to pay and it shouldn't be the non-boating taxpayer.

 

[Blueboatman]

Eccentric waterfront storage hut roofs ? Upturned hulls don’t leak ??
Maybe a few would be acceptable , but not hundreds and hundreds perhaps in serried rows ?.

 

[Poignard]

Équihen-Plage, France :

 

[Blueboatman]

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Perfect . Is that Trawler town or Beneteau Boulevard Sur Mer ?

 

[Capt Popeye]

One thing is clear to me, the polluter should pay for the removal and disposal of his mess.
Either directly, which will necessitate registration, or collectively, perhaps by a levy on berthing fees.
Neither would be welcomed but somebody has to pay and it shouldn't be the non-boating taxpayer.

A Fee for safe removal /destruction eh ? who to pay - well there is only one person required to pay the costs , its the Original Owners / Builders of course ; all else is just keeping in a tidy /safe condition hus preventing decay casusing pollution

 

[Poignard]

What

A Fee for safe removal /destruction eh ? who to pay - well there is only one person required to pay the costs , its the Original Owners / Buildres of course ; all else is just keeping in a tidy /safe condition thus preventing decay casusing pollution

You are asking me something I have already answered.

 

[oldharry]

A Fee for safe removal /destruction eh ? who to pay - well there is only one person required to pay the costs , its the Original Owners / Buildres of course ; all else is just keeping in a tidy /safe condition thus preventing decay casusing pollution

And how many builders of older boats are still in business or even alive? Marcon for example closed in 1978, while Eric White who built all those lovely Marcon boats passed away some years ago.

 

[Poignard]

And how many builders of older boats are still in business or even alive? Marcon for example closed in 1978, while Eric White who built all those lovely Marcon boats passed away some years ago.

Yes, good point.

The hull of my boat was moulded by Tyler Ltd, and she was completed by Uphams Ltd. Both these firms closed down years ago. There'd be no money forthcoming from those two.

 

[jac]

A Fee for safe removal /destruction eh ? who to pay - well there is only one person required to pay the costs , its the Original Owners / Buildres of course ; all else is just keeping in a tidy /safe condition thus preventing decay casusing pollution

But many of them will have gone bust. Even large volume brands have often come from bankrupt companies. Take westerly or Sadler in this country.

and how do you prove that the unregistered “Sea Breeze” ever belonged to anyone or in the absence of a HIN that it is actually the same “Sea Breeze” that that John Smith owned.

My suggestion would be a small charge on new vessels, maybe 1% of sale price up to a maximum of say £5k then a small annual charge linked to mooring costs but structured so that cheap mooring pay less. The rationale being that suddenly charging everyone say £100 pa might make the people with cheap boats on cheap moorings just abandon them to avoid the extra costs and make the situation even worse

 

[PhillM]

What about a scheme like the one that we have for electrical items, in which the manufacturer of the goods is responsible for eventual disposal.

 

[Blueboatman]

I thought the dreaded marine Polyestermite would eventually nibble it all away
Well it did on the 1st April in an old YM ( iirc ?)

 

[oldharry]

What about a scheme like the one that we have for electrical items, in which the manufacturer of the goods is responsible for eventual disposal.

As above, many manufacturers no longer exist. However it would be reasonable for Harbour Authorities to add a small amount to their charges to build a 'sinking' fund for disposal of unclaimed derelicts. Ahem,,,,

 

[Capt Popeye]

And how many builders of older boats are still in business or even alive? Marcon for example closed in 1978, while Eric White who built all those lovely Marcon boats passed away some years ago.

Might suggest that them Marcon boats were very strongly built , them being in the forfront of GRP construction in the early 60s ; When I had a Marcon boat a previous owner had cut out a round hole in the lower hull through /in which was mounted part of a Depth Sounder ; that cut out plug was left aboard to show the thickness plus construction used in the GRP construction ; funny enough that GRP plus looked nothing like the Matt strewn GRP from boat hulls ever since ; Guess that in progress the GRP Hull materials have become much lighter and the Resin far more less relying upon the Matt

 

[oldharry]

Maybe, but the cost of refurbishing and refitting a worn out and possibly damaged older hull nearly always exceeds the market or replacement value, often by quite a wide margin. Drawing and replacing keelboats, replacing engine and sterngear, Rigging and sails alone can do that. Making a decent job below decks requires considerable skill. Done commercially the manpower cost alone is prohibitive. The number of abandoned projects testifies to this

 

[Salt'n'shaken]

As above, many manufacturers no longer exist. However it would be reasonable for Harbour Authorities to add a small amount to their charges to build a 'sinking' fund for disposal of unclaimed derelicts. Ahem,,,,

As somebody in the building industry and well aware of the landfill problems, I completely agree that producer should pay. But being as most have gone to the wall, if everyone paid an extra £50 a year in their mooring fees is could be sorted