New tax for foreign yachts based in Greece from 1st January 2014????

[Steve C Cronin]

Come to think of it, just be guaranteeing Greece's borders, the 4,3% of GDP saved could help repaying the debt much sooner. And we can use Germany's loan payback to buy lots of (cold please) beer

PS. The only problem is that we are not very fond of Kings...

I could introduce you to a few who are!

 

[Steve C Cronin]

A smile, maybe?

There is MONEY involved here! MY money!

 

[Steve C Cronin]

Depression and red wine are established bed fellows, but sometimes take your thoughts in odd directions. This time the thought occurred to me that if Scotland goes off into their wide blue yonder, why don't we offer to incorporate Greece into the union to replace it. In relative terms the national debt that will be off loaded onto Scotland would be roughly the same size as the Greek debt we would take on. So we lose a cold wet miserable country and gain a warm dry normally happy one. Once our civil service especially HMRC take control of the Greek economy it would be sorted in no time. All we have to do is refuse passports to any Greek with assets of more than £1 million. Come to think of it we should do that anyway.

No, no. My biggest client is a wealthy Greek! Where do you think I get all these bottles of Epta Esteri Metaxa and Five Kings plus some inside info from?

 

[charles_reed]

Charles, it will be interesting to see if they do add VAT on. Where does this idea come from?. I also think that there is no chance of interpreting "in Greek Water" as being in the water and not sitting on dry land in Greece. If so this will be an exceeding expensive addition to us and any one over 12 meters, as we only cruise for 6 to 8 weeks a year. I really don't want to leave Greece - we only just (in relative terms) got there.

Bloody shame - but I don't have to make decision for a couple of months - so will wait and see what actually transpires

PS When VAT went down we saw no change in prices in the Dodecs......

Just as port dues have VAT added and, in UK, VAT is added to fuel and alcohol which has already paid Customs & Excise duty.

I'm sure you didn't, but the day the tax came off I had an excellent meal in Ornos (mykinos) and surprise, surprise lower rate VAT and a free Metaxa.

Being old, impoverished and single-handed has its advantages in Greece!!!

 

[Chris_Robb]

Chris, we will always have the "Greece right or wrong" faction and I have a little list. If what that country is telling me by this tax is, that all they want is my exit, then why don't they just tell me to GO instead of imposing this punitive tax -unless all they REALLY want to do is rob their friends for easy money? Ah!

My boat is out of the water, in Gouvia, paid up to mid May and I don't intend to physically return until March or April and launch in April, sometime. I wonder what the CA would give me as advice, in my situation? Are they worth the fees for a dusty library full of out of date material in Limehouse and a few Old F. A. R. T.s pretending that they have a handle on the situation. (Despite the efforts of the dear lady steward, the beer in the bar is usually flat too, her coffee and bar food being excellent!)

Little secret:- Their "man on the spot" once offered me the opportunity to take over his job! I declined. I still have his email.

Steve, your comments are really quite objectionable and in respect of the CA, somewhat out of date too. I am so glad you declined his job.

 

[Caladh]

Steve, your comments are really quite objectionable and in respect of the CA, somewhat out of date too. I am so glad you declined his job.

+1. It cannot go unnoticed that Steve has some fairly stringent thoughts which he likes to promulgate on this forum. Chris - he should just be ignored. However in ref to the ongoing thread, we all have a choice in this matter (if it comes to fruition) to either stay or move on somewhere else. I appreciate that it is the manner in which the tax is being introduced by the authorities that is getting many peoples hackles up. When and if this tax comes in, Greece will still be considerably cheaper to cruise (all in) than many other European countries.

 

[jimbaerselman]

Just as port dues have VAT added and, in UK, VAT is added to fuel and alcohol which has already paid Customs & Excise duty.

VAT? Value added tax? . . . I'd always thought of taxes as value subtraction rather than value added.

Let's pursue this idea further: VAT on income tax! IHT! Council taxes! TV licence fees! Car tax disks! even on VAT!

Maybe Greek Port Police have been out of order all along, adding VAT to their fees . . . are they even VAT registered?

 

[Steve C Cronin]

VAT? Value added tax? . . . I'd always thought of taxes as value subtraction rather than value added.

Let's pursue this idea further: VAT on income tax! IHT! Council taxes! TV licence fees! Car tax disks! even on VAT!

Maybe Greek Port Police have been out of order all along, adding VAT to their fees . . . are they even VAT registered?

When buying a new car in the UK you actually pay VAT on the car tax element of the price.

 

[Steve C Cronin]

Steve, your comments are really quite objectionable and in respect of the CA, somewhat out of date too. I am so glad you declined his job.

what precisely do you find objectionable? The critisism of the beer at CA House? Ever tried it?

 

[jimbaerselman]

When buying a new car in the UK you actually pay VAT on the car tax element of the price.

Different thing. The tax element was part of his cost base, but per se, he gets no VAT rebate on it. He has to pay VAT on whatever he charges - whatever the origin of his costs. A bit like a consultant raising his prices so he can pay taxes and still enjoy his life style . . .

 

[paulineb]

Latest news and costs here...

http://greece.greekreporter.com/2013/11/24/circulation-tax-in-greek-waters/

 

[Sy-Revolution]

Just more euro thievery like bogus €300 speeding fines in Spain and the same for OOD flares in Portugal.

What d'ya recon my chances are of slipping out of Aegina and disappearing off to Malta or Sicily without getting caught next spring?.......

 

[1bobt]

Just more euro thievery like bogus €300 speeding fines in Spain and the same for OOD flares in Portugal.

What d'ya recon my chances are of slipping out of Aegina and disappearing off to Malta or Sicily without getting caught next spring?.......

Keep away from the canal and I think you will get away with it

 

[Sandyman]

Friends in Sicily on an 18M yacht & pension incomes, had intended cruising Greece next year but are now reconsidering their options.
They have e-mailed us to say that Turkey, Croatia & Montenegro have already begun to reduce their prices to attract
more business, taking advantage of the situation in Greece.

 

[charles_reed]

Friends in Sicily on an 18M yacht & pension incomes, had intended cruising Greece next year but are now reconsidering their options.
They have e-mailed us to say that Turkey, Croatia & Montenegro have already begun to reduce their prices to attract
more business, taking advantage of the situation in Greece.

It would be nice to think that was correct - however I'd suspect an overdose of wishful thinking, in the cases of CrneGoro and Croatia the price-moves will be in the opposite direction.

 

[vyv_cox]

What d'ya recon my chances are of slipping out of Aegina and disappearing off to Malta or Sicily without getting caught next spring?.......

I cannot believe that there will be any checking of documents by patrol boats, so the situation will be exactly as that for paying harbour dues. Avoid the harbours and nobody will know whether you have paid or not.

 

[charles_reed]

VAT? Value added tax? . . . I'd always thought of taxes as value subtraction rather than value added.

Let's pursue this idea further: VAT on income tax! IHT! Council taxes! TV licence fees! Car tax disks! even on VAT!

Maybe Greek Port Police have been out of order all along, adding VAT to their fees . . . are they even VAT registered?

For Gawd's sake don't suggest it or they will. Perhaps a long time since you saw a PP receipt, but all the ones I had last year included VAT, after all the charges are for services - light and harbour dues.

 

[jimbaerselman]

I cannot believe that there will be any checking of documents by patrol boats, so the situation will be exactly as that for paying harbour dues. Avoid the harbours and nobody will know whether you have paid or not.

A nasty twist here. Receipt has to be carried with ship's papers. Boats without a receipt can be detained until the fee is paid (no discounts) plus a 100% penalty. Rumour has is that collection agents are being recruited. It's probably more comfortable not to speculate on what incentives they're offered . . .

 

[1bobt]

A nasty twist here. Receipt has to be carried with ship's papers. Boats without a receipt can be detained until the fee is paid (no discounts) plus a 100% penalty. Rumour has is that collection agents are being recruited. It's probably more comfortable not to speculate on what incentives they're offered . . .

In the four boatyards on the North coast of Aegina ,the are at least 150 12 metre +yachts. That`s a lot of money for a small police office to have to keep safe.
And remember this office could not produce a receipt book. for a 8.88 euro Hauling paper.

 

[Steve C Cronin]

Different thing. The tax element was part of his cost base, but per se, he gets no VAT rebate on it. He has to pay VAT on whatever he charges - whatever the origin of his costs. A bit like a consultant raising his prices so he can pay taxes and still enjoy his life style . . .

If we are talking about the car dealer, it is EXACTLY gthe same thing. He gets full allowance for his Output Tax but that is irelevant to your assertion that tax on tax is never charged. It certainly is.

I wonder what the VAT categorisation for a trader engaged in State Robbery is?

132? No 334? NO. How about 616? (the revised "Mark of the Beast")

Greeks cannot expect the relationship between themselves and their visiting customers to be ever the same again after this.