Numbers
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Ummm, you can't just leave it there ... Tell us how it was to sailThat's me on the helm
JPK 39FC
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doris
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Numbers
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Hmmm, I've Watched Toby Hodges review on Youtube about 50 times, and I had simply thought that article was the written version of the video and never read it ... never realised these were two different reviews.
Thanks Rupert, I've now read the review ... nice one, thank you!
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Cariadco
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Looking back on some of the comments, I've just been in contact with Pogo, and for a spanking new 36 footer, no sails, electronics or windlass but with the lifting 3.1m keel (which now is their standard fitting, the fixed keel option is more money)....inc VAT......253k euros.
Oh, plus delivery charge to wherever you want.
Waiting time, 18month but might reduce.
For me, it would be UK Sails, B&G instruments, and have the missus lift the anchor (Rope & Chain).
Not getting it though, way too much Money.
Oh, plus delivery charge to wherever you want.
Waiting time, 18month but might reduce.
For me, it would be UK Sails, B&G instruments, and have the missus lift the anchor (Rope & Chain).
Not getting it though, way too much Money.
doris
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And what would you do with one if you had one?????
Numbers
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I was originally quite interested in the Pogo. They look fantastic fun as they are planing along. It's clearly fast downwind!
I think Pogo supporters say they remain competitive upwind, but I also saw some opinions contrary to this.
Same with J boats. I think it is well acknowledged they excel upwind ( I believe they point extremely well) ... and J-Boat supporters will say the also go well downwind, but I also saw some comments contrary to this.
Doris what's your thoughts on the JPK. My understanding is that the JPK is designed to be good at all points of sail, and not specialise at any one?
flaming
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Depends on the J.
97, 109, 122 are upwind machines. Won't plane downwind, will surf a bit. Though if you're looking for the very best upwind machines, the 109s were just a smidge behind us when we had the Elan 37 upwind we thought. And the Grand Solei 37 was an insanely good upwind boat.
88, 111 are much, much faster off the wind. I've sat at over 15 knots on a 111 downwind.
99 is somewhere in between.
New J40 just announced looks more like an updated 122. Definitely more cruisy, less planing ability. Will undoubtedly be wicked quick upwind.
JPK... Sort of middle ground. In the 1010 we expect to be there or thereabouts upwind with the 109s. Little slower in the light, about the same in the medium, expect to be faster in 20+. Downwind we're slower in sub 8, match in 10-16, expect to be faster over that. Ratings are about even, the average of 1010 and 109 ratings are basically both about 1.000.
The JPK cruising line I expect to be significantly quicker off the wind than a similar sized J, but give up a little in upwind, again especially in the light.
Cariadco
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Same as I do with my c
Same as I do with my current Archambault 40, thrash it....!!
doris
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Flaming has said it all re. J boat’s performance levels. One aspect worth bearing in mind is the alleged built quality question marks over various Js.
The JPK 30 is terrific off the wind, I’ve yet to really test it out uphill but it’s a cruiser. 12 1/2 Kts boat speed in 14 Kts of true on a broad reach without really trying.
It is not designed for IRC and will probably end up rating about 1.075/80, the 11.80 is faster on all points and rates lower, it’s designed as a race boat.
I’m sure I will get the 39 rated and do the occasional race, but only for focussed fun because corrected i will get buried.
I know plenty of forumites will not comprehend entering a race knowing that one is totally outrated but each to their own.
So far, built quality and attitude of the builders are all absolutely as one would want.
Out sailing it was amazing quiet down below.
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flaming
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Sunrise, the 1180 that's won everything is off 1.099.Flaming has said it all re. J boat’s performance levels. One aspect worth bearing in mind is the alleged built quality question marks over various Js.
The JPK 30 is terrific off the wind, I’ve yet to really test it out uphill but it’s a cruiser. 12 1/2 Kts boat speed in 14 Kts of true on a broad reach without really trying.
It is not designed for IRC and will probably end up rating about 1.075/80, the 11.80 is faster on all points and rates lower, it’s designed as a race boat.
I’m sure I will get the 39 rated and do the occasional race, but only for focussed fun because corrected i will get buried.
I know plenty of forumites will not comprehend entering a race knowing that one is totally outrated but each to their own.
So far, built quality and attitude of the builders are all absolutely as one would want.
With a rating in the 1.075 region I'd expect you to be reasonably competitive distance racing. Would put you round about the First 40s, and I'd expect you to be quicker off the wind. Probably not going to be winning RORC races, but you should be respectable in JOG.
doris
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Interesting. Thanks for that, it was Jean Baptiste at JPK who told me that the 11.80 was rated lower than the 39.
Maybe I will have get a bit more serious when racing, it would be fun to overtake a few First 40s with a kite up. Cup of tea in hand of course.
doris
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I have to say, pondering what Flaming said about performance akin to a First 40, the thought of having a cruising boat that matches them, even beats them off the wind is getting me very enthused for next spring. Although it’s quick this boat is still very much a cruiser. I suspect the biggest problem is going to be avoiding getting any ‘cruising clutter’ ie. weight in the way.
There will be a 20kg spade up front with 40m of chain (JPK suggested 60m, I’ve reduced it), I’ll have to get a fortress with a few links of 6mm chain and some string for the quick days, that will be expensive!. Discipline is going to key, the likes of which I’ve not had to enforce before.
A previous Doris was a Mount Gay, aka Whitbread, 30. Similar performance but brutal down below so absolutely no chance of clutter! The Sigmas and Dehler 39 could take a little bit of clutter but they were easy to clear out and anyway didn’t have anywhere near the performance potential.
I was at a Pip Hare chat evening a few weeks ago and chatting with her afterwards, I had been in Lorient at JPK for the start of the NY Vendée, she was saying that on the foils running, her apparent wind angle is not more than 62*. While the JPK wont be anywhere near that extreme I suspect I’m in for a definite learning curve. Flaming, when you power up downwind in a medium blow how quickly do you bring the apparent close to the beam????
There will be a 20kg spade up front with 40m of chain (JPK suggested 60m, I’ve reduced it), I’ll have to get a fortress with a few links of 6mm chain and some string for the quick days, that will be expensive!. Discipline is going to key, the likes of which I’ve not had to enforce before.
A previous Doris was a Mount Gay, aka Whitbread, 30. Similar performance but brutal down below so absolutely no chance of clutter! The Sigmas and Dehler 39 could take a little bit of clutter but they were easy to clear out and anyway didn’t have anywhere near the performance potential.
I was at a Pip Hare chat evening a few weeks ago and chatting with her afterwards, I had been in Lorient at JPK for the start of the NY Vendée, she was saying that on the foils running, her apparent wind angle is not more than 62*. While the JPK wont be anywhere near that extreme I suspect I’m in for a definite learning curve. Flaming, when you power up downwind in a medium blow how quickly do you bring the apparent close to the beam????
flaming
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Interestingly the JPK39FC that raced in this year's Agean 600 had a rating of 1.113.
GRE2030 called Phileas Fogg
Valid Rating Listings - IRC Rating
Valid Boat Data - IRC Rating
Looking at the boat data they are however rated for an absolutely massive genoa for some reason... Over 3m of overlap.... I can only assume that they have some sort of reaching furling thing and just decided to rate with it....
If you were serious about IRC there is no way you'd do that. So suspect you could save at least 20 points just by measuring with a normal non-overlapping jib.
They've also got the optional twin backstays for the square top main and are using the designed 5700kg weight.
GRE2030 called Phileas Fogg
Valid Rating Listings - IRC Rating
Valid Boat Data - IRC Rating
Looking at the boat data they are however rated for an absolutely massive genoa for some reason... Over 3m of overlap.... I can only assume that they have some sort of reaching furling thing and just decided to rate with it....
If you were serious about IRC there is no way you'd do that. So suspect you could save at least 20 points just by measuring with a normal non-overlapping jib.
They've also got the optional twin backstays for the square top main and are using the designed 5700kg weight.
flaming
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In the medium we don't. We soak. In the light we are very much in apparent wind mode.
We look to start planing about 18 knots of TWS on our downwind angles, circa 165 at that point. Less if we're on a hot angle. 20-25 on about 130 with the A5 up is an absolute hoot.
flaming
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For reference btw, a First 40 weighs about 8 Tonnes as measured by the RORC crane...
Being 2 Tonnes or so lighter with slightly more sail area and a more powerful hull shape is not going to be slow in comparison....
Being 2 Tonnes or so lighter with slightly more sail area and a more powerful hull shape is not going to be slow in comparison....
Laser310
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i'm not following IRC much, as it isn't used anymore where I race..., but doesn't IRC allow a Large Roach Headsail now?
If so, I would probably get one of those for a distance race like the Aegean 600 - they are a weapon.
The LRH is a free-flying headsail, and presumably the sail on the boat in question does not measure as an LRH, so it counts as a genoa...
flaming
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Yes, exactly. My point was more that with even a small amount of attention paid to IRC, and with what I understand of the spec of the new Doris, he should expect a significantly lower rating than the Greek boat.
Given the Agean600 is dual ORC/IRC scored, I strongly suspect that they were more interested in the ORC with that setup.
Laser310
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I'm sure you know - ORC allows the LRH too
My guess is that they didn't care very much about either.., it was just; "this is what we have, let's race!". And good on them for that. I hope they had fun.
As an aside.., are there any of these for charter anywhere? I haven't seen any.
doris
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The one I went out on a couple of months ago is planned to be I believe. Maybe check with JPK.
doris
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Or ask me very nicely next spring and come out for a play.
