JPK 39FC

[doris]

Does anyone have first hand experience of JPK’s lifting keels???
Am looking v closely at these and any input would be much appreciated.

 

[michael_w]

There's a guy on Sailing Anarchy who's posted quite a bit about the JPK39FC, He's also posted on Youtube.

 

[John_Silver]

Sounds like SV Cyclops (on SA) aka Cyclops Sailing (on YT). His one has the lift keel.

 

[doris]

Thanks for that, I can see a few hours of happy viewing coming up

 

[Laser310]

I don't think any 39's have come on to the brokerage market yet.

I have seen one or two of the older 38's in the last two years.

I think they both were private sale situations - not listed with a broker. I guess there is not much reason to pay a broker to sell one of these, as potential buyers know where to look and will find them.

The JPK website lists available used boats - I think it's a service to owners, not a brokerage arrangement, and I imagine nearly anyone who might buy one of these knows to look there.

Apparently, the 39 is a substantially larger boat than the 38.

I would guess that the wait for a new boat is pretty long - a few years?

 

[John_Silver]

I would guess that the wait for a new boat is pretty long - a few years?

In autumn 2022, the wait was 3 years. But they were hoping to speed up production.....

 

[doris]

In autumn 2022, the wait was 3 years. But they were hoping to speed up production.....

The initial quote was a 3 1/2 year wait for a 39, 2 years for a 45.
I have been offered a slot next winter for a march delivery for a 39 so am going to the yard in a couple of weeks to see if I want to go further. In the meantime I’m watching Cyclops Sailing on YouTube.
Maybe, maybe not, we’ll see. All about SKI isn't it. Can’t take it with you.

 

[doris]

I'm not going with a lifting keel but I have now signed a contract for an April 25 completion. Might be December 24, time will tell. Gives me this summer to unload the curent jeanneau and get excited about going fast again.
Loads of decisions to make about rig, sails, elecs, sails, etc etc. Male retail thereapy huh!

 

[flaming]

That's fabulous news, congratulations!

I think the best advice about rig and sails would be to listen to mr JPK!

 

[doris]

That's fabulous news, congratulations!

I think the best advice about rig and sails would be to listen to mr JPK!

Indeed. Have already had long chats with Jean Pierre and Jean Baptiste. I'm getting there.
Will be backout at the factory soon.

 

[flaming]

Indeed. Have already had long chats with Jean Pierre and Jean Baptiste. I'm getting there.
Will be backout at the factory soon.

Take lots of pictures!

 

[John_Silver]

^^^^Excited for you! Did you go 1.8m or 2.15m, on the fixed keel, in the end?

 

[Laser310]

I'm not going with a lifting keel but I have now signed a contract for an April 25 completion. Might be December 24, time will tell. Gives me this summer to unload the curent jeanneau and get excited about going fast again.
Loads of decisions to make about rig, sails, elecs, sails, etc etc. Male retail thereapy huh!

congratulations!

i am assuming you managed to get on one for a look 'round - did you also get to go for a sail?

 

[doris]

congratulations!

i am assuming you managed to get on one for a look 'round - did you also get to go for a sail?

Didn't go for a sail, it was blowing 50 kts! But did have a serious look at how they build and the whole operation.
Have also had words with various repairers over here and they get a very positve review.

 

[doris]

^^^^Excited for you! Did you go 1.8m or 2.15m, on the fixed keel, in the end?

That is my biggest decision still to be made.
It will be three beds. No bow thruster, the mechanisn is too unreliable but might go with a Jet thruster micro, permanent staysail, standard 30 hp motor and two bladed prop.
Just have to ponder on the keel. That's a tricky one. Am leaning towards the 1.8 at the mom. The performance will still be spectactular with a lower rating and the easier access is significant. The 1.8 is an L keel, the 2.15 is a T. The righting moment is the same with both, the 1.8 being 350kg heavier which on a 5 1/2 ton boat is significant but.......

Chatting around, JPK and Pogo seem to have the best rep for boat engineering at the mom. Pogo don't make anything I want but the 39FC seems like a stunning quick cruiser compromise. Might rethink the masthead asym kites, 138sq m, a tad frighening, and go for fractional but will with chat to the designers on that.
A summer of thought ahead.

 

[flaming]

That is my biggest decision still to be made.
It will be three beds. No bow thruster, the mechanisn is too unreliable but might go with a Jet thruster micro, permanent staysail, standard 30 hp motor and two bladed prop.
Just have to ponder on the keel. That's a tricky one. Am leaning towards the 1.8 at the mom. The performance will still be spectactular with a lower rating and the easier access is significant. The 1.8 is an L keel, the 2.15 is a T. The righting moment is the same with both, the 1.8 being 350kg heavier which on a 5 1/2 ton boat is significant but.......

Chatting around, JPK and Pogo seem to have the best rep for boat engineering at the mom. Pogo don't make anything I want but the 39FC seems like a stunning quick cruiser compromise. Might rethink the masthead asym kites, 138sq m, a tad frighening, and go for fractional but will with chat to the designers on that.
A summer of thought ahead.

Definitely don't skimp on the kite. A smaller code type fractional would be a good addition, but I think you'd regret not having a big one. Being able to jump up on the plane with the wind still in the teens is pretty magical.

If you fancy a joyride in a smaller sister at some point this summer drop me a line.

 

[dunedin]

…………No bow thruster, the mechanisn is too unreliable but might go with a Jet thruster micro, …..

What bow thruster system do they fit that is “too unreliable”?

Clearly want a retractable one on a boat like this, but loads of X-Yachts, Arcona, Maxi - as well as many Hanse, Jeaneau etc - seem to manage with retractable bow thrusters which work well. They also give better leverage as deeper than in tunnel ones.

 

[doris]

What bow thruster system do they fit that is “too unreliable”?

Clearly want a retractable one on a boat like this, but loads of X-Yachts, Arcona, Maxi - as well as many Hanse, Jeaneau etc - seem to manage with retractable bow thrusters which work well. They also give better leverage as deeper than in tunnel ones.

I’m not aware of thr make but the drop down mechanism is considered unreliable. I currently have a tunnel thruster,, but have had words with some repair outfits over here and the drop downs don’t get a good press.
I’m not trying to controversial but I won’t be having a drop down.

 

[r_h]

I have now signed a contract for an April 25 completion.

Brilliant - I sailed the prototype for a Yachting World test - still reckon it's one of the two best boats I've tested in the last five years.
As Flaming says don't skimp on big kites for light airs VMG - you can pack it away before things get too exciting. In any case a boat light enough for apparent wind sailing always gives the option of sailing deep to get out of trouble if you keep it up for too long in a rising breeze

 

[Chiara’s slave]

Definitely don't skimp on the kite. A smaller code type fractional would be a good addition, but I think you'd regret not having a big one. Being able to jump up on the plane with the wind still in the teens is pretty magical.

If you fancy a joyride in a smaller sister at some point this summer drop me a line.

Does the boat require that? We have a fractional 65m asymmetric, plane at 10kn of wind, and are scared shitless by it at 15kn. If we’re 2 up, that thing is in it’s snuffer at 13kn. We weigh 2000kg. The code sail is considerably more manageable. The kite only gets a serious outing with a race crew on board.