Sandy
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Reading round subject I don't think it was the windvanes.
Golden Globe Race
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auditdata
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Philippe Péché - Beaufort, I think?
Motor_Sailor
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Thanks.
Amended List:
Abhilash Tomy - Windpilot - Atkins ketch
Antoine Cousot - Windpilot - Biscay 36 (reported having problems with his Windpilot - stopped in Canaries to fix)
Are Wiig - Monitor - OE 32 class
Gregor McGuckin - Hydrovane - Biscay 36
Igor Zaretskiy - Windpilot? - Endurance 35
Istvan Kopar - Windpilot - Tradewind 35 (reported problems with his Windpilot)
Jean-Luc van den Heede - Hydrovane - Rustler 36
Kevin Farebrother - Hydrovane - Tradewind 35 (retired)
Loïc Lepage - Hydrovane - Nicholson 32 Mk X
Mark Sinclair - Aries - Lello 34
Mark Slats - ??? - Rustler 36
Philippe Péché - Beaufort - Rustler 36
Susie Goodall - Monitor - Rustler 36
Tapio Lehtinen - Windpilot ??? - S&S Gaia 36
Uku Randmaa - Monitor - Rustler 36
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auditdata
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Neptune? Beaufort is a French system. Not sure if there is a Neptune model?
Motor_Sailor
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Sorry my typo - thinking of something else at the time!
Allan
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Don was speaking to Susie earlier today and said they had sold the Tradewind 35.
Allan
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PlankWalker
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Motor_Sailor
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Cheers.
Abhilash Tomy - Windpilot - Atkins ketch
Antoine Cousot - Windpilot - Biscay 36 (reported having problems with his Windpilot - stopped in Canaries to fix)
Are Wiig - Monitor - OE 32 class
Gregor McGuckin - Hydrovane - Biscay 36
Igor Zaretskiy - Windpilot? - Endurance 35
Istvan Kopar - Windpilot - Tradewind 35 (reported problems with his Windpilot)
Jean-Luc van den Heede - Hydrovane - Rustler 36
Kevin Farebrother - Hydrovane - Tradewind 35 (retired)
Loïc Lepage - Hydrovane - Nicholson 32 Mk X
Mark Sinclair - Aries - Lello 34
Mark Slats - Aries - Rustler 36
Philippe Péché - Beaufort - Rustler 36
Susie Goodall - Monitor - Rustler 36
Tapio Lehtinen - Windpilot ??? - S&S Gaia 36
Uku Randmaa - Monitor - Rustler 36
auditdata
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Updated Motor_Sailor's list with Added Nabil Amra
Abhilash Tomy - Windpilot - Atkins ketch
Antoine Cousot - Windpilot - Biscay 36 (reported having problems with his Windpilot - stopped in Canaries to fix)
Are Wiig - Monitor - OE 32 class
Gregor McGuckin - Hydrovane - Biscay 36
Igor Zaretskiy - Windpilot? - Endurance 35
Istvan Kopar - Windpilot - Tradewind 35 (reported problems with his Windpilot)
Jean-Luc van den Heede - Hydrovane - Rustler 36
Kevin Farebrother - Hydrovane - Tradewind 35 (retired)
Loïc Lepage - Hydrovane - Nicholson 32 Mk X
Mark Sinclair - Aries - Lello 34
Mark Slats - Aries - Rustler 36
Nabil Amra - Beaufort - Biscay 36 (retired Tenerife broken Beaufort, weld failed)
Philippe Péché - Beaufort - Rustler 36
Susie Goodall - Monitor - Rustler 36
Tapio Lehtinen - Windpilot ??? - S&S Gaia 36
Uku Randmaa - Monitor - Rustler 36
Abhilash Tomy - Windpilot - Atkins ketch
Antoine Cousot - Windpilot - Biscay 36 (reported having problems with his Windpilot - stopped in Canaries to fix)
Are Wiig - Monitor - OE 32 class
Gregor McGuckin - Hydrovane - Biscay 36
Igor Zaretskiy - Windpilot? - Endurance 35
Istvan Kopar - Windpilot - Tradewind 35 (reported problems with his Windpilot)
Jean-Luc van den Heede - Hydrovane - Rustler 36
Kevin Farebrother - Hydrovane - Tradewind 35 (retired)
Loïc Lepage - Hydrovane - Nicholson 32 Mk X
Mark Sinclair - Aries - Lello 34
Mark Slats - Aries - Rustler 36
Nabil Amra - Beaufort - Biscay 36 (retired Tenerife broken Beaufort, weld failed)
Philippe Péché - Beaufort - Rustler 36
Susie Goodall - Monitor - Rustler 36
Tapio Lehtinen - Windpilot ??? - S&S Gaia 36
Uku Randmaa - Monitor - Rustler 36
capnsensible
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That was quick. I got some nice pictures of it on the dock yesterday. Will see if it's still there when I get back from a quick UK trip on Friday.
zoidberg
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Someone will need to do something about the headlining. Tthe flour-paste is giving up all over, and the 'lining is drooping down onto Don McIntyre's head. See the YouTube video.....
Oh, and the very tired webbing lifelines.
PlankWalker
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Uku Randmaa has 2 Self steering gears on his Rustler 36. The centrally mounted Monitor has been on the boat for the 10 years that I have known One And All, but she now also has a Hydrovane mounted off centre on the port hand side of the transom.
Plank
Motor_Sailor
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Belt and braces!
Abhilash Tomy - Windpilot - Atkins ketch
Antoine Cousot - Windpilot - Biscay 36 (reported having problems with his Windpilot - stopped in Canaries to fix)
Are Wiig - Monitor - OE 32 class
Gregor McGuckin - Hydrovane - Biscay 36
Igor Zaretskiy - Windpilot? - Endurance 35
Istvan Kopar - Windpilot - Tradewind 35 (reported problems with his Windpilot)
Jean-Luc van den Heede - Hydrovane - Rustler 36
Kevin Farebrother - Hydrovane - Tradewind 35 (retired)
Loïc Lepage - Hydrovane - Nicholson 32 Mk X
Mark Sinclair - Aries - Lello 34
Mark Slats - ??? - Rustler 36
Philippe Péché - Beaufort - Rustler 36
Susie Goodall - Monitor - Rustler 36
Tapio Lehtinen - Windpilot ??? - S&S Gaia 36
Uku Randmaa - Monitor and Hydrovane - Rustler 36
Sandy
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Very interesting to read what Windpilot are saying on their web page about how prepared the skippers with problems with their kit are.
zoidberg
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The elderly German maker, Peter Foerthmann, of some of the Windpilot windvane steering gears being used in the GoGoR, around which some controversy has arisen, is bemused. His Windpilot gear is in use worldwide. There are hundreds of satisfied users. It's rugged and has been very dependable. So how come the frustration and abuse flying about?
There's a suggestion that several users have not troubled to 'tweak' their kit, while just about everyone knows that windvane gear needs to be set up and tweaked for one's own boat and ways. Others have apparently changed the factory-made settings of lever-arms, counterweight positions and so on, changing the mechanics of the kit without a sufficient understanding what they were doing.
And there's another problem.
On several of the rugged but elderly Tradewinds, apparently, the steering linkage is solid, reliable but heavy pushrods. That's fine with solid wind, when the paddle can provide powerful 'push-pull'. Not so in the very light airs they've been experiencing. And at least one is acting, I hear, on a too-tiny steering drum/lever - a modification - where the range of movement available, the 'rudder authority', is tiny compared with what is needed. In light airs, the result is ineffectual course-keeping.
Some entrants are just getting on with it. Others are tearing their hair out and 'throwing their toys out of the pram', it seems..... There's been huge pressures on these individuals, for a long time now. Much of that is self-inflicted, much of it is sponsor-obligation. None of it is healthy. One begins to understand better what Crowhurst suffered - and Moitessier rejected....
It may be remembered that many pioneering singlehanders had frustrations with their boats and their gear. Chichester had a 'hate' relationship with one of his 'Gypsy Moths', and with balancing his 'best speed' sailplan against the needs of his early windvane gear.
Right now, sailing in waters that are comparatively benign, one might have hoped the contestants would be getting in tune with their steeds and building 'personal harmony' ahead of the expected stress and challenges of the South Atlantic and beyond.
There's a suggestion that several users have not troubled to 'tweak' their kit, while just about everyone knows that windvane gear needs to be set up and tweaked for one's own boat and ways. Others have apparently changed the factory-made settings of lever-arms, counterweight positions and so on, changing the mechanics of the kit without a sufficient understanding what they were doing.
And there's another problem.
On several of the rugged but elderly Tradewinds, apparently, the steering linkage is solid, reliable but heavy pushrods. That's fine with solid wind, when the paddle can provide powerful 'push-pull'. Not so in the very light airs they've been experiencing. And at least one is acting, I hear, on a too-tiny steering drum/lever - a modification - where the range of movement available, the 'rudder authority', is tiny compared with what is needed. In light airs, the result is ineffectual course-keeping.
Some entrants are just getting on with it. Others are tearing their hair out and 'throwing their toys out of the pram', it seems..... There's been huge pressures on these individuals, for a long time now. Much of that is self-inflicted, much of it is sponsor-obligation. None of it is healthy. One begins to understand better what Crowhurst suffered - and Moitessier rejected....
It may be remembered that many pioneering singlehanders had frustrations with their boats and their gear. Chichester had a 'hate' relationship with one of his 'Gypsy Moths', and with balancing his 'best speed' sailplan against the needs of his early windvane gear.
Right now, sailing in waters that are comparatively benign, one might have hoped the contestants would be getting in tune with their steeds and building 'personal harmony' ahead of the expected stress and challenges of the South Atlantic and beyond.
robmcg
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A good reason to strap a Hydrovane to the back of your Tradewind. A self steering system should be simple to set up and easy to operate straight out of the box. The more fettling, adjusting, refining and supervision it requires the less ultimate use it is.
Sandy
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Robmcg thanks for the fuller description of the issues. I am away from home and this site on the mobile version is hopeless.
I've long had my doubts about this particular venture. People had too little time to prepared and reading the Windpilot page they have gone out of their way to assist the skippers and should be commended.
I've long had my doubts about this particular venture. People had too little time to prepared and reading the Windpilot page they have gone out of their way to assist the skippers and should be commended.
zoidberg
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In an idle moment ( ! ) I've been exploring deeper into Windy.ty
This pic is of the ocean currents ( real? predicted? ) in equatorial Atlantic. Just look at the west-going stream, and those giant clockwise gyres to the north.
That must be doing some heads in, trying to work out what on earth ( or at sea ) is wrong with their Deduced Reckoning, their timepieces, their plotting of not-very dependable astro....
Nothing like that is suggested in my copy of 'Ocean Passages For The World'....
This pic is of the ocean currents ( real? predicted? ) in equatorial Atlantic. Just look at the west-going stream, and those giant clockwise gyres to the north.
That must be doing some heads in, trying to work out what on earth ( or at sea ) is wrong with their Deduced Reckoning, their timepieces, their plotting of not-very dependable astro....
Nothing like that is suggested in my copy of 'Ocean Passages For The World'....
zoidberg
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An interesting split - is it 'tactical' or is it 'strategic' - between the two furthest south this evening, Peche and Slats.... and the four following on - VDH, Wiig, Randmaa, and Goodall. Then there are McGuckin, Zaretsky and Lehtinen also heading SE.
it's puzzling to know what the 'SE' group know/understand about the winds/currents down there that the two front runners don't. Given that 'weather routing' is not available, nor is computerised calculation of Minimum Time Tracks, I'm more than a little curious about just how the SE option is calculated.
Is it just taking a 'flyer'....?
it's puzzling to know what the 'SE' group know/understand about the winds/currents down there that the two front runners don't. Given that 'weather routing' is not available, nor is computerised calculation of Minimum Time Tracks, I'm more than a little curious about just how the SE option is calculated.
Is it just taking a 'flyer'....?
capnsensible
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Its totally fascinating. Weather observation, barometers, ocean pilot chats, experience, luck all play their part, Im sure.
Oh and seaweed.
Doesnt it make you want to have a go????!!!!!
From us ashore, putting that windyty overlay on makes it even more interesting.
Oh and seaweed.
Doesnt it make you want to have a go????!!!!!
From us ashore, putting that windyty overlay on makes it even more interesting.