Fenders both side's please!!!!

[Andrew_Fanner]

Re: Why is everyone so anal about this??

I'm guessing running your Sigma into the MFV has all the impact of running a Mini into a tank anyway

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[Chris_Robb]

A little sanity

Like you I was quite bermused by this thread - who the hell provides fenders for another boat - they should have their own! However some boats have such rediculouly small fenders that one usually ends up supplementing them.

Chris

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[Alistairr]

Re: A little sanity

Its not a case of providing Fenders for Another boat. Its more a case of providing fenders for your own boat. I would have thought most people on here, would care enough about their boats to protect them from what ever is neccesary??? Wether that be, Theft, Damage or whatever!!!!

For me its Fenders out Both sides Regardless!!!!



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[nicho]

Re: Fenders both side\'s please!!!!

Conversly, there's a bloke with a Contessa moored on our pontoon, who flatly refuses to leave his boat with fenders on it's 'non finger' side, and then plays hell with his next door neighbour who had the timerity to nudge him whilst trying to berth in difficult conditions, leaving a small black rubber streak on the hull. He complained to the Marina Manager, and told his neighbour he required a full hull refurbishment at his expense.The bloke's a complete prat (His neighbor told him where to stick his demand in no uncertain terms by the way)

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[Robin]

You cannot have safe sex...

.....with a condom in your pocket. Fenders, like extra anchor chain do nothing at all to protect your boat in a locker, only when deployed for the designed task.

We go into all berths fendered and with lines both sides, there are just two of and last minute stress is best avoided by being prepared. In our home berth, even though our neighbour has fenders outside we still fender on the open side 'just in case' which is also why they are left out when we are safely berthed. What is the point of having protection locked away?

In a potential raft up situation we also put out fenders on the outside, we have nice big ones and so many people arrive with inadequate ones or at the wrong place or height. Once again, we are proud of our boat so why not protect it? Leaving fenders in a locker 'because it is not our obligation to put them out' doesn't make sense.

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[tcm]

Next time & Regard for other mariners property

hm, my remarks showed i had lots of respect for other people's property. I clealry have a much better idea how to look after a boat than you do.

Next time, if you aren't going to be present during relaunch, leave fenders tied on the boat whilst ashore (both sides please, to quote you) set to the widest part of the boat (which for many boats is also pontoon level) but flicked over the guardrails on both sides - together with instructions to push them back over when the boat gets berthed. You should set lines both sides too.

The relaunch crew would probably flick all of them back anyway, and be very pleased that you had prepared the boat appropriately.

As it was, with no fenders set, the boatyard already had the trouble of finding and setting your inboard fenders when they relaunched because you hadn't thought about it, and so they had to do so for you, at least for the essential inboard fendering. Likewise, the visitor had to double fender for your boat and for his own - again because you failed to think ahead and plan for the relaunch.

In future, if you think ahead like this and in other ways too, rather than rely entirely on others (such as the boatyard and/or visitors) then you will be far less likely to have a slash down the side of the boat. It's very uncommon to have such damage - about as uncommon as people leaving a boat next to an emptty berth with no fenders on that side - or perhaps exactly as common, hm?

Of course, this doesn't mean that the culprit shouldn't pay for reasonable repairs.

But it does mean that you could have though ahead more fully - especially if you are as bothered about the appearance of the boat as you claim to be - but which has been spolied due to (or perhaps mostly because of) YOUR lack of foward thinking and poor seamanship.






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[jimi]

Re: You cannot have safe sex...

Yup .. the one that annoyed me most was a boat that rafted heavily on us in the early hours .. I got out my pit to help the husband & wife team ... then found they'd buggered off early in the morning leaaving me with a bent stanchion .. had they apologised I'd have forgotten it in two days ..as it is it still rankles a couple of years later!

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[Robin]

Re: You cannot have safe sex...

Like the Sailing School 'specialist' teaching some CLUB members berthing techniques in our marina that crushed our stern ladder (old boat) within just 12 hours of launching after the winter - and none of them owned up. That seriously ticked me off.

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[nicho]

Re: You cannot have safe sex...

A "neighbour" once punched a very neat hole on the bows of our S37 with his davits, and did have the courtesy to tell the marina staff. He then went into denial, and could not admit to himself, us or anyone else what had happened - luckily, his wife was more forthcoming, and arranged for their "insurance" to pay for the repairs. He then really pissed us off by constantly arguing about the cost of the repairs, and queried every part of the repair boatyards quote. Got the impression in the end that he was not actually insured at all, which is in direct conflict with the Marina terms and conditions of berthing.

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[Davy_S]

Re: Next time & Regard for other mariners property

I think you will find that Northern boaters do not > have a slash down the side of the boat< we use the marina facilities /forums/images/icons/smile.gif For my twopennies worth it is the vessel entering the berth who should be fendered, he is responsible and knew so and did a runner. ok so Starboard had no fenders, it is still no excuse for the other guys bad seamanship.

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[Nich39Nige]

Re: Next time & Regard for other mariners property

I have to agree with davy_s. It is always the case that whomsoever does the damage is responsible for the the payment of repairs. We should all be responsible for our actions. How is the berthed boats fault that damage occurred. If I were to ding your car in a car park is that your fault for leaving it in the car park in the first place?
Yes, maybe one should fender both sides but as has been said before it's the berthing vessel who should have fendered both sides. One cannot condemn the berthed boats owner for being thoughtless.
Last time I left fenders tied to my rails on both sides the day before it went back into the water (I wasn't able to attend) some bugger pinched the offside fenders!

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[Oldhand]

Re: Shame him in the marina then ...

Get a back-spring on and motor against it to pull yourself alongside

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[starboard]

Re: Next time & Regard for other mariners property

Both your response and attitude to this leaves me a little nonplus and speechless...I admit due circumstances beyond my control the outside of my boat had been left unfendered, this I can assue you is not the norm, however if I had been aboard and had been manouvering the vessel 8 in total fender's 4 per side would have ben present for any unforseen circumstance's. My complaint has been with another boat that in wind condition's as such chose not to protect the side of his boat that was obviouslly going to come in contact with my own vessel. I treat your comments about MY poor seamanship with contempt.

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[starboard]

Re: Next time & Regard for other mariners property

Thanks DAVY S, you are spot on there,I think from TCM's comments he spends more time telling other's what he thinks is correct than actually doing it him self, one to watch out for in the future!!!!!!!!

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[Sybarite]

Glad to see you back.

Had a nice holiday?

John

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[Talbot]

Re: Shame him in the marina then ...

Assume the advice to use a backspring was aimed at me rather than the original post. Good advice as far as it goes. However:

I already do this when I can get close enough to the pontoon (not actually a backspring or even a forespring, but one positioned where I can actually swing round it. a true forespring will only really work if you can use a rudder to direct the wash - I have one engine and twin rudders. I berth bows in on the last finger of the pontoon, but to get to my berth I have to pass the other boats on the finger pontoons, and at the last minute turn 120 degrees to port to do a port alongside. There is not enough room to exit past my berth and have a proper run at it, and a multihull does not do tight turns like a monohull (which tends to swing arouind its keel) so strong wind off pontoon = a problem.

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[Robin]

Re: Glad to see you back.

Thanks John, yes good really though it had its moments, long story involving 5 USA firetrucks and a Little Mermaid! Not really under the heading of fenders both sides or even safe sex!

Robin

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[Oldhand]

Re: Shame him in the marina then ...

Sorry, didn't notice you are a Cat, yes you do need a rudder behind the prop for my suggestion to work. We use a fixed length back-spring form a midships cleat to the finger end cleat. It isn't very long but if SWMBO jumps off with it as early as possible, she ususally gets it on the cleat and throws me the stern line before any great drama can occur.

As to the original subject, we fender both sides but don't expect neighbours to berth a) by using our boat as a temporary quayside b) not to be suitably fendered themselves

Our neighbouring berth is curently still awaitng the boat to be launched and thus used by visitors. On asking the helmsperson of a high sided yacht, which which was suddenly noticed trying to join us in our berth (with 2 fenders placed uselessly), why he was reversing in with a blowing off situation and no bow thruster, the answer was "because we have a baby on board". Apparently, because their freeboard was so high, they made a habit of berthing stern-to, in order to ease embarkation without any regard as to whether they could achieve this without bashing into other boats. Having a baby onboard is a new excuse to me for having total disregard for any other boat. My conclusion is they should either stay at home or change to a caravan.

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[Talbot]

Re: Shame him in the marina then ...

My other problem is that my wife is not in a position to be able to jump on/off boat, so I tend to berth single handed! I have a bow thruster sitting in a box waiting for installation but boat didnt come out of water this winter (long long story - dont ask), but expect that this will solve a lot of my berthing worries.

I dont make a habit of leaning on a neighbour (how could I as I dont have one on my berth, and tend not to use marinas that much anyway), but would much prefer to control my arrival on a neighbouring boat, with all the fenders in the correct spot, and boat at the right aspect, than try to get alongside when wind strength makes plan unfeasible, and end up being blown down onto neighbour, and have last minute panic.

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[Becky]

Re: Next time & Regard for other mariners property

WOW! A lot of hot collars around I am thinking. I am sory for Starboard, it is bad manners to scratch another boat and not confess as soon as possible. But you others! he was only making a point, not giving a lesson in mooring. So how bout calming down, and being friends again?

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