Fenders both side's please!!!!

[david_e]

Fact and feelings

TCM is pointing out the facts, it might have hurt your feelings, but facts is facts.

He is also 100% nice and helpful guy and is extremely knowledgable about all things boaty apart from fridges on saily yachts.

and he sent my wifes phone back when she left in his pad and my grotty golfing jumper and.......... woops forget I said this)

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[kinta]

Re: update for John

I see where your coming from.

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[starboard]

Re: Fact and feelings

To be honest he is not pointing out the facts. The boat was fendered, the offside one's however were not in place. Here at Troon we have at least 2mtres between boats so many people about 90% dont even place outboard fenders. However I do but in this instance they had not been put out. However as many people have pointed out and my point to is that if a boat is manouvering at close quarters to another they shoud at least fender both sides until safely on the berth. If they get it wrong they then have half a chance to protect both thier and anyone else's property.Surely this is basic good seamanship....no argguments from most I think you will find.

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[tcm]

Re: racist huh?

facts
1. You had no fenders
2. Another boat hit you. okay, okay, he'll have to pay.
3. You posted "fenders both sides please" with multiple exclamation marks. Yet you had none


Incidentally, it matters not that the boat is big or small, or what experience you have. I have powerboat and commercial endorsement, yes and rather bigger than 55feet but hey - we've all got to start somewhere!

Now, in amongst all your swearing, you've called me a racist, which is even more wrong, and quite incorrect. I'm not. Nothing I've said is racist. You should withdraw that imho

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[david_e]

Re: Facts and feelings

The boat was fendered, the offside one's however were not in place. = fact, but think you regret not having them out.

Here at Troon we have at least 2mtres between boats so many people about 90% dont even place outboard fenders = supposition, no evidence to support.

However I do but in this instance they had not been put out. = fact, as above.

However as many people have pointed out and my point to is that if a boat is manouvering at close quarters to another they shoud at least fender both sides until safely on the berth = fact, not at issue

If they get it wrong they then have half a chance to protect both thier and anyone else's property.Surely this is basic good seamanship....no argguments from most I think you will find. = fact all agree incl. you & tcm?

QED problem solved


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[starboard]

Re: racist huh?

You dont seem to listen and are missing the point "fenders both sides for a vesselthat is manouvering is all that I ask!! All I said is if you are manouvering and therefore in danger of hitting something you should fender both sides as manouvering vessel.

My vessel was fendered for the berth as it lay along side and was made fast.

I will look forward to seeing how your own vessel is fendered...Yes I agree we must all start somewhere and we all will make mistakes, but the more we can do to minimise those mistakes the better for all....There is no point going further as you are obviouslly not willing to listen. As for the racist remarks....what was all that you were quoting about the classes...I live in a classles society up here and am very glad of that.

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[tcm]

Aha, M\'lud !!

er stbd you said "the boat was fendered, but the outboard ones were not in place" !!! -that means your boat was NOT fendered. It doesn't count if the fenders are on the other side or in the locker, you know.

Then you say that "we have so much space so many people about 90% don't even place outboard fenders".

Yet you insisted earlier (several times) that you were about to do this on the vvery next visit. So it isn't true that 90% of people don't fender outboard sides. You do - always - EXCEPT on this occasion.

No arguments that the other guy should have had fenders. But afaik you didn't see him, hence your beef. He may well have had fenders. It's almost certain that he had fenders.

My point is that you want to claim 100% judgement via this forum in your favour - and yet part of the blame for that scratch might easily be yours.

Indeed, the longer this goes on the more your story twists and turns. You had no fenders. You clearly know you should have had fenders. You always have fenders. You told us that you would have put them out the very next time. You got a scratch.

Tell me where this is wrong.

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[kimhollamby]

Time for bed

It seems this one has been thrashed through skin and flesh to bone.

Personally I would never leave the offside unfendered -- call that the cynical hack in me. In fact I would be loath to let the marina stick my boat on a berth without it being checked as soon as possible afterwards; not a criticism, just a confession of my control freak side (but one not entirely irrelevant given a past bad experience). Plus of course no-one, absolutely no-one, can tie my boat up as well as me.

Whatever is right and wrong I think this debate is showing its sell-by date, to the extent it is smelling a bit. Dustmen aren't due until next Monday so I'll lob it in the freezer (ie lock it) to hope it arrests any further decay.

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