Sans Bateau
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Re: The mechanical soul
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An open letter to Twister Ken
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Robin
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Someone said to me once that you have to fall in love with a boat to want to buy it. That was so very true and I have loved every one of mine. I still have a half model of one on the wall (made by the new owner) and pics on the walls of three, all quite different. If I didn't love my boats I would not have bought them and NOBODY is going to tell me they are no good or not as good or cannot be suitable for or whatever they think theirs is superior at being or doing. I talk to mine on occasion, even give a friendly pat to let them know I care. Soul indeed, yes they have soul, oozing from every corner!
Sans Bateau
Well-known member
Re: The mechanical soul
I'll just get Collins down off the shelf!
I'll just get Collins down off the shelf!
Andy_H
Member
Nicely put Alex. I fail to see why owners of a certain type of boat appear to consider themselves to be superior and feel the need to constantly criticise the choice of others. I am surprised that YM printed this article which was surely simply a personal matter of opinion, shared by some but, considering the number of AWB's on the water, probably not the majority.
I have a Bavaria 32, which I personally am very happy with and don't really care whether others like it or not, but please don't criticise me just because I do!
I have a Bavaria 32, which I personally am very happy with and don't really care whether others like it or not, but please don't criticise me just because I do!
tome
New member
Forgive me, but if you read this thread I think we're all in broad agreement that we chose a boat to suit. This includes the author of the article as far as I can make out. So what's wrong with publishing personal opinion, and why for that matter is it important that you mention you have a Bav 32? And who is criticising you for having it?
beancounter
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Andy,
there was no intent to criticise anybody in my original post - quite the opposite in fact. It was intended as a simple counterweight to Ken's views - views which are perfectly valid and which he is entitled to express.
John
there was no intent to criticise anybody in my original post - quite the opposite in fact. It was intended as a simple counterweight to Ken's views - views which are perfectly valid and which he is entitled to express.
John
Andy_H
Member
John
My post was not meant to be a criticism of your post in any way. The points you made reflected my thoughts precisely.
Andy
My post was not meant to be a criticism of your post in any way. The points you made reflected my thoughts precisely.
Andy
beancounter
New member
No worries...
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Aeolus_IV
New member
Re: The mechanical soul
Once achieved, perfection is boring. Its the little quirks and "bad habits" which made something interesting and engaging. They provide the challenge and sense of achievement at the end of the day.
IMHO,
Jeff
Once achieved, perfection is boring. Its the little quirks and "bad habits" which made something interesting and engaging. They provide the challenge and sense of achievement at the end of the day.
IMHO,
Jeff
Evadne
Active member
Re: The mechanical soul
I agree, actually, to err is human; so a a boat with no faults has no (human like) character. Its just that when I put it that way, it seemed odd, because lack of character in a boat is, in itself, a fault in many people's view. I suppose it's always been the case that one man's unacceptable fault is another man's endearing little foible.
I agree, actually, to err is human; so a a boat with no faults has no (human like) character. Its just that when I put it that way, it seemed odd, because lack of character in a boat is, in itself, a fault in many people's view. I suppose it's always been the case that one man's unacceptable fault is another man's endearing little foible.
Sans Bateau
Well-known member
Re: The mechanical soul
But is'nt it the human who adds the character? No boat has character when it is new.
Presumably the older the boat the greater the human intervention, so more character. Given time the modern AWB will attain its own character, not the same character as the wooden boat or the 70's plastic classic, but a personality that is unique. to the AWB.
But is'nt it the human who adds the character? No boat has character when it is new.
Presumably the older the boat the greater the human intervention, so more character. Given time the modern AWB will attain its own character, not the same character as the wooden boat or the 70's plastic classic, but a personality that is unique. to the AWB.
awb
New member
Re: Twister Ken
I sailed a Twister for many years but now have a Bavaria 32. The Twister was a terrific sea boat but would broach in a strong quartering wind and was very wet and cramped. The Bavaria has a beautifully balanced helm, never threatens to broach and heaves to like a dream. Its also spacious and has so far been trouble free. If you want to beat into head sea in club races and then sleep ashore then buy a Twister, if you want to enjoy cruising and then sleep aboard then buy an AWB, preferably a Bavaria......
I sailed a Twister for many years but now have a Bavaria 32. The Twister was a terrific sea boat but would broach in a strong quartering wind and was very wet and cramped. The Bavaria has a beautifully balanced helm, never threatens to broach and heaves to like a dream. Its also spacious and has so far been trouble free. If you want to beat into head sea in club races and then sleep ashore then buy a Twister, if you want to enjoy cruising and then sleep aboard then buy an AWB, preferably a Bavaria......
WayneS
Active member
Totally agree Robin. My first boat, a Westerly 22, in others eyes is the most ugly thing ever made. But the memories I have of our young family spending huge amounts of time on her will never be eclipsed by any boat I own in the future. She had soul and I wish I still had her.
Wayne
Wayne
Robin
Well-known member
Hi Wayne
Would you believe I once coveted Westerly 22's, Nomads and the like! It all depends where you are looking from and I then had a 24 foot (going on 14ft) centreboarder with the lowest freeboard and headroom I think I've ever seen. I changed it for a very spacious 21ft Debutante with bilge plates, a totally flush deck and an INBOARD engine, a hand starting Stuart Turner of all of 4hp. Still have fond memories of these boats though and we did a few miles too in the Debutante. Like Shipman's too, very pretty and we had friends with one ( called Baneille) that we used to cruise with.
Robin
Would you believe I once coveted Westerly 22's, Nomads and the like! It all depends where you are looking from and I then had a 24 foot (going on 14ft) centreboarder with the lowest freeboard and headroom I think I've ever seen. I changed it for a very spacious 21ft Debutante with bilge plates, a totally flush deck and an INBOARD engine, a hand starting Stuart Turner of all of 4hp. Still have fond memories of these boats though and we did a few miles too in the Debutante. Like Shipman's too, very pretty and we had friends with one ( called Baneille) that we used to cruise with.
Robin
