doris
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It’s interesting to compare the brokerage DG32 v the JPK 39.
Which 30-ish footer
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John_Silver
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DFing don’t come cheap, that’s for sure. Think the brokerage one (which seems to have every available extra fitted) has been on offer a while - so, possibly asking too near to the new build price. Which, you are right, is higher than that of a JPK 39FC. For a ‘smaller’ boat.
JPK pricing actually seems surprisingly reasonable. Especially given their reputation (Sunrise etc) and notoriously long (4-5 year) waiting list (except in your case
). Last time I asked, the DF was a ‘next season’ delivery….EDIT: For cockpit ergonomics (for solo sailing), the JPK 39FC is the benchmark, to me. Everything to hand, whilst sat at the tiller(s). Plus well integrated pilot. Perfect!
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Chiara’s slave
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Dragonfly Trimarans For Sale / Wanted - Dragonfly Trimarans User Forum For private sales. We found ours there. As far as I’m aware, only the Contessa 32 outperforms Dragonfly for second hand value. A top 920 is now about what they were new. Theres a decent turnover of boats on that site, they do sell.
John_Silver
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And good to confirm that DF’s hold their value The brokerage 32, that I was commenting on the price / apparent slow sale of, was only launched 2022. So pretty close to the cost of a new build. Specced exactly the way a new owner wanted. And with them getting to ‘take the wrappers off.’ Which, given the scale of outlay, for either option, I thought could work against her.
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Chiara’s slave
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The 32 is actually quite a big boat. The cost is in the rig and syructure. Renewing the rig will come as a shock to mono owners. Having rebuilt our 920, I’m as aware as anyone. We found ways of doing stuff, or costs would have been much higher. 500m of dyneema offcuts came our way, for instance, at about £600 instead of pushing 5 grand Everything is chunkier than any other 30 footer. To someone looking for a 30 footer, itks the 28 you want, not the 32. It’s 50% bigger and 100% more expensive.Useful site to know
The brokerage 32, that I was commenting on the price / apparent slow sale of, was only launched 2022. So pretty close to the cost of a new build. Specced exactly the way a new owner wanted. And with them getting to ‘take the wrappers off.’ Which, given the scale of outlay, for either option, I thought could work against her.
fredrussell
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Buck Turgidson
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My twister was £5000 new. I bought it for 3 times that and it's currently worth more than I paid. What's that you say about second had value? ;-)
Chiara’s slave
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It was 5 grand in about 1970 I guess. By that measure a battered Westerly Centaur also passes the test. But of boats built in the last 15-20 years…. most AWBs hold value like a lettuce.
bitbaltic
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My Hanse 301 cost about 29k new in 2001; I bought it for 28k in 2011; recent (post covid) sales of comparable sister boats indicate a value of 30-35k. I’ve always worked on the basis that a boat (kept in good seaworthy condition) depreciates at about inflation, at least over 20 odd years, and this is a good baseline to understand what you should expect to receive on sale for any betterment (because a boat is never really an ‘investment’).
The OP states that he’s looking for a 30ft cruiser but then bundles in a set of lightweight/trailerable/performance/shallow draft/small multihull contradictory requirements before indicating a preference for a boat which ticks only some of those boxes in the Swallow Yachts boat which is a monohull. He needs to do more thinking as to which of these things are priorities. Outboard engines are not common on 30ft monohull cruisers, for instance, and lifting keels are not a common attribute of performance boats with carbon rigs.
Can’t help but think a macgregor 26 ticks a lot of these boxes. As that’s long been taken as a reductio ad absurdum the OP would do well to consider any of the boats mentioned and principally decide if he wants a multihull or monohull. If the latter, I’ll throw the Hanse 301 hat in the ring.
Cariadco
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Just tripped over this Forum subject, and it's proved to be of great Info for me, as I'm off next week to Dusseldorf to the Boot Show. On my shopping list is a DF28 (amongst one or 2 other tasty little numbers) and we'll se what the Missus thinks of it.
Anyways, some of you might have seen the vid below, but it's a DF32, blowing away a tasty looking 50 footer. Hope you like it, and I'll report back what I fall for.....
Anyways, some of you might have seen the vid below, but it's a DF32, blowing away a tasty looking 50 footer. Hope you like it, and I'll report back what I fall for.....
John_Silver
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Happy hunting @Cariadco . These were my immediate thoughts (and pictures) after my Dragonfly baptism. A breezy test sail, aboard a DF28. Which included a visit to a DF32. The day proved to be a revelation.
EDIT: Out of scope (by the sounds of things), for your trip, BUT the DF36 is due to debut at Boot. If it’s a scaled down DF40 it will have a very high want-one quotient! Nothing wrong with a bit of mission creep, where sailing enjoyment is concerned….
EDIT: Out of scope (by the sounds of things), for your trip, BUT the DF36 is due to debut at Boot. If it’s a scaled down DF40 it will have a very high want-one quotient! Nothing wrong with a bit of mission creep, where sailing enjoyment is concerned….
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Sailing steve
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The self tacker is a brilliant bit of kit when single handed.
I can short tack my Hunter just as easily as I used to short tack a Laser dinghy 50 years ago.
Daydream believer
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From what I have seen of outboard motors on our moorings they require more maintenance and can be a far bigger pain in the butt than any inboard. If you have a later model 30 ft boat space becomes less of an issue & that taken by the inboard will only become a junk storage area. Only badly maintained engines have oily bilges & one can change the filters in the winter when the boat is not used much. I had an oil collection sheet under my last Volvo engine & when it was replaced, at 5000 hours, the bilges were clean, needing only a wipe with some wet wipes. If one has a vibration issue then look to the engine mounts. Most inboards of later construction run beautifully if used regularly.Pain in the arse to work on, another two places for water to get in, noise, vibration and loss of storage space. Oh yes, oily bilge and occasional smell of diesel when cleaning and changing filters. I love my VP2003 because I have to
I have not had an out board driven boat for 60 years & that was in a well in the cockpit. Never again thanks
I would question how they work in short sharp chop when the prop continually leaves the water. Even with a long shaft model. last year I went to Ostend & even my saildrive had a few sudden revs where it cavitated near the surface approaching the harbour. An outboard would have had no chance
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greeny
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Inflation
Buck Turgidson
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vs depreciationInflation
steve yates
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Handsome? That looks pretty ugly to me.
doug748
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Not the worst I have seen but, as an all round cruising boat, the multihull suggestion is flogging a dead horse for most people. The ones that fold like an umbrella are even more niche.
I notice the OP posted once and disappeared, pretty common for these "what boat" questions.
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Cariadco
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I must admit, I find nearly all Cats to be Ugly, Ugly as sin...especially the Doggers without a Mast.....but I do like the shape of the Dragonfly's.
Chiara’s slave
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There are something like 900 Dragonflys sailing. That makes them niche in terms of 30ft AWBs, sure. Flogging a dead horse is mostly done by people who’ve never sailed one. And the vast majority of those have never seen one except at a boat show, and have looked at the price tag and walked on.