What should "cruising" boats be designed for?

Re: What should \"cruising\" boats be designed for?

Pretty good unbiased summary I would have thought. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
Re: What should \"cruising\" boats be designed for?

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I did not count my years as a child and if you want to be pedantic about it, I was master of my own vessel at 25 and am now 65 but had experience as crew before then. WTF is this anyway? The Spanish Inquisition? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif

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Maybe its your age that's confusing you? Is'nt it a racist statement, to refer to the Spanish in a derogatory fashion? Did you know the Vatican still has an inqusition, but they changed its name to "Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith". I think we need a new Inquisitorial forum to ensure members of the forum have appropriate boats. The grand Inquistors can be BoatMike and Teakie, can we start a prioritised witchhunt immediately .. good .. lets start with McG 26 owners before we move onto Bavarias. Any thoughts for a good name for this panel?
 
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Wondered where you were Jimi! Usually up for a good wind up ye Booger!
As for my age old son, one day if you are very lucky you might get to be as old as me... but what was the question? I forgot....
 
Re: Bollx

I haven't got anywhere near "vitriolic"? Well, not yet.

I just felt that your points could have been made with less whammo force, as less of a rant? Even in your post above you've tucked in the fact that your wife died of cancer which is very sad of course but doesn't actually support any argument about boat design.

Back to the matters in hand, amongst the thousands of boats, there are a microscopically small number whose keels fall off, which you treat as though it's a veritable epidemic. It isn't.

Nor actually is it perfectly normal to run aground a lot, and I would say that you doing it every 10 years is a bit more frequent than the norm rather than a bit less. Otherwise we'd see people aground all over the place, and we don't.

Also, I or anyone can be argumentative insofar as we discuss around an issue - that the bleedin point of a forum innit. If you don't want argumentative, write it all down in a diary.

Or next time you make a post shall i just say "What an excellent post, Boatmike. I fully agree with everything, and given that you have sailed far and wide and have now gotta catamaran your opinions are like gold dust to me."
 
Re: Bollx

I am not going to react to this. You are obviously looking for an argument. All you are doing is creating a situation where people like me will leave the forum to people like you looking to find some outlet for their egos. Perhaps Ships Cat and others were right, it's all a waste of time. The pedants and bullies can have it.
I am off now to do some work on my boat which is more fun than listening to you. Don't bother replying, I wont read it anyway.
 
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What an excellent post, Boatmike. I fully agree with everything, and given that you have sailed far and wide and have now gotta catamaran your opinions are like gold dust to me
 
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Nor actually is it perfectly normal to run aground a lot, and I would say that you doing it every 10 years is a bit more frequent than the norm rather than a bit less. Otherwise we'd see people aground all over the place, and we don't.


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On the East Coast it's not that uncommon to run aground.
Have played touch and go many times. No sailing season's complete without running aground at least once. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
 
Re: Bollx

... or Lymington entrance when the Ferry goes by. I've hit the mud a few times including cutting the corner at the bottom of Soton Water when coming in from the forts and have also whacked the cill at St PP ..
 
Re: Bollx

You dont have a monopoly of touching bottom on the East Coast you know!

Several years ago nearing the end of a sail in lovely conditions, as we approached Poole, the boat was sailing beautifully, using the tiller pilot. We started to slow up as the bow dipped, I had found the southern end of Hook sands! /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
 
Re: Bollx

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Nor actually is it perfectly normal to run aground a lot, and I would say that you doing it every 10 years is a bit more frequent than the norm rather than a bit less

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Gosh, if I manage to run aground only 3 or 4 times a year then I think I'm doing well... Guess that you've never been to the East Coast then...
 
Re: What should \"cruising\" boats be designed for?

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It's down to which boat you are happy with.

I'd only agree with the slab reefing point, but that's easily changed on any boat. Everything else is subjective.

Boats I've sailed include Twisters, Rivals, Warrior, Westerly, Sweden, Bruce Roberts, Moody, Bendy toys, Jeaneau, one design race boats, one off boats, ocean race boats, Sigmas and older Bavarias. The best boat for ocean miles and live aboard use was the old Bav. Nothing worried me on the boat in terms of build and strength, even when hove to in a November Biscay storm.
It was a cast iron bolt on keel, deck stepped mast, lengthwise galley, volvo engined spade ruddered very good boat!

Our deck fittings stood up to a severe storm better than an Ovnis. Some things were a compromise, but most of it was well built and well thought out.

My point is you don't know how good a boat is until you've done some miles in a variety of weather. You'd be surprised how your attitude can change. That could have been my list 10 years ago!

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Nice to think someone has the same feeling as me about the old bav....this just made my day (me a 35 owner)
 
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Quote "The grand Inquistors can be BoatMike and Teakie, can we start a prioritised witchhunt immediately .. good .. lets start with McG 26 owners before we move onto Bavarias. Any thoughts for a good name for this panel?"

Hang on a bit, before we start on Bavs and McGs what about all those MOBO things that are cluttering up the seas?
 
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"what about all those MOBO things that are cluttering up the seas?"

Don't worry, I've cracked that one...

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Re: What should \"cruising\" boats be designed for?

What is it, a starboard buoy covered in bird poo, or haven't they painted it yet?
 
Re: Bollx

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Nor actually is it perfectly normal to run aground a lot, and I would say that you doing it every 10 years is a bit more frequent than the norm rather than a bit less

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Gosh, if I manage to run aground only 3 or 4 times a year then I think I'm doing well... Guess that you've never been to the East Coast then...

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/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif you can tell who sails in sandy waters can't you? I tacked up the Straits teh other weekend solo. My echosounder is not visible in the cockpit & has no alarms (it is 35 years old) so easiest way to maximise tacks was to touch & turn. No problem with a twin keeler & a rising tide tho'.

Its all a matter of risk assessment, If the consequences are trivial, then it doesn't matter if the probability is 100%. If the consequence is serious, you have to make sure the probability is absolutely minimal.
 
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Unfortunately we have had many posts like this one. Many from a lot of narrow minded people with strong views towards encapslated keels and skeg hung rudders and ballast ratios of 40%. I am not putting you in this category but do regret the lack of flexible thinking by some.

You all miss the point, these boats are available at roughly 3x the cost of an AWB. They are suitable for crossing oceans but as boats on the ARC demonstrate other boats can also cross oceans and always faster.

For the vast majority of us we are not crossing oceans, nor living aboard and choose the weather we go out in as we sail for pleasure. For us an AWB with all the features you hate is adequate and the additional spaciousness a positive benefit.

I will not develop the argument that the biggest threat to any boat is being rolled in a sea and that is a function of length rather than ballast ration nor the argument that a light AWB gets there faster and avoids the coming storm.

Its horses for courses and there is no one right answer for everyone but sales figures suggest the AWB's are providing the buying public with what they want.
 
Re: What should \"cruising\" boats be designed for?

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Unfortunately we have had many posts like this one. Many from a lot of narrow minded people with strong views towards encapslated keels and skeg hung rudders and ballast ratios of 40%. I am not putting you in this category but do regret the lack of flexible thinking by some.

You all miss the point, these boats are available at roughly 3x the cost of an AWB. They are suitable for crossing oceans but as boats on the ARC demonstrate other boats can also cross oceans and always faster.

For the vast majority of us we are not crossing oceans, nor living aboard and choose the weather we go out in as we sail for pleasure. For us an AWB with all the features you hate is adequate and the additional spaciousness a positive benefit.

I will not develop the argument that the biggest threat to any boat is being rolled in a sea and that is a function of length rather than ballast ration nor the argument that a light AWB gets there faster and avoids the coming storm.

Its horses for courses and there is no one right answer for everyone but sales figures suggest the AWB's are providing the buying public with what they want.

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Absolutely right. Not everyone wants or needs the marine equivalent of a Land Rover. But for those who are "going bush" in their boats like that Evan Starwhatsit chap, maybe a long keel heavy old boat is appropriate. You pays your money and makes your choice.
 
Re: What should \"cruising\" boats be designed for?

Not sure that just because people come to a different conclusion than you they are narrow minded, that is a little insulting perhaps?
 
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