What should "cruising" boats be designed for?

Re: Bollx

Er you seem to have told me I am talking Er bollx is it? about linear galleys when I haven't mentioned the subject? And by the way I have done 2 transats and have only been sailing for 40 years so not Solent bound either /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif
 
Re: Lateral / linear galley

The advantage of the L shape is that its marginally easier to keep things in the right place with only 2 hands, and wedged with different body parts / harness. Just last week, in Turkey with a force 6 gusting 7, just putting basic sandwiches together for lunch was a big effort in a linear galley. And the skipper and 2nd wouldn't be fobbed off with biscuits.
 
Re: What should \"cruising\" boats be designed for?

The Evan Starzinger website is one I have visited before. If one is going to sail the sort of miles they are sailing you are unlikely to chose one of the yachts that have been used as examples in the current threads, eg Bav Match, Hooligan etc

That said, their yacht Silk, is not that unusual, 37 foot, 8 ton displacement and 37% aspect ratio. Thats about the same as Becky's Moody 376, a popular cruiser.
 
Re: Lateral / linear galley

Never quite got this linear galley issue, and with tcm on this. Any sort of big sea the problem isn't the galley but keeping the food contents under control. Prepared snacks and sarnies are the answer- even making a hot drink is difficult in a blow and an L or U shaped galley doesn't help at all with this

I like keel stepped mast, skeg rudder and encapsulated keels. All very reassuring in a hoolie and I can live with biscuits and chocolate bars until conditions improve. Bottled water is also good to have
 
Re: What should \"cruising\" boats be designed for?

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1. Keel stepped mast <span style="color:blue">We weren't that bothered about this provided the compression post was tough</span>

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My thinking on a keel stepped mast is this:
If the mast goes with a deckstepped one you're more likely to lose everything.
With a keelstepped mast you have a better chance to keep something - hopefully enough to get some sort of sails up
 
Re: What should \"cruising\" boats be designed for?

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My thinking on a keel stepped mast is this:
If the mast goes with a deckstepped one you're more likely to lose everything.
With a keelstepped mast you have a better chance to keep something - hopefully enough to get some sort of sails up

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Good thinking but....

Just consider the situation, you suffer a knockdown or roll, the mast goes, but it doesn't break completely. The boat comes back up but now you still have the rigging, boom and sails attached and in the sea, nothing that the bolt cutters wont deal with though. But the broken part of the mast is still attached to the stub secured through the deck. Slowly the boat rolling and crashing in the heavy seas is having a hole punched in its side by the remains of the mast.

Can you get 20 ft up a broken mast to cut the rest of it away with a hacksaw?
 
Re: What should \"cruising\" boats be designed for?

Interesting that Beth and Evans now sail a fin keeler with a spade rudder. As far as I am aware, their latest boat is Hawk - a 47 foot Van de Stadt Samoa and that they've done plenty of high latitude mileage with her including Cape Horn/Southern Ocean.
 
Re: What should \"cruising\" boats be designed for?

Yeah and Shane Acton went around the world in Shrimpy which was a plywood 19 footer and people have been over Niagra falls in a barrel. That doesn't mean they aren't nuts!
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Re: What should \"cruising\" boats be designed for?

Interesting question

I have a traditional long keeled transom hung ruddered minimal galleyed boat. Almost 50% displacement ballast ratio. A boaty boat. My Friend has a bilge keeled Westerley Pageant. A caravanny boat.

I was sailing on his boat the other day and realised his boat would be fine for 98% of my sailing time. And more comfortable.

I suspect our concerns with L shaped galleys and keel stepped masts and worst possible scenarios are sometimes misplaced.

But, that said I do like not having any keel bolt worries, or breaking off rudder worries, or gasket worries or..........

Tight lines
 
Re: What should \"cruising\" boats be designed for?

Lots of comment here about keels, galleys, masts, etc.....

How about rewarding..... I think that if your going to be sailing long distances for long periods with family crews, then the boat should also sail well.....

How bout this for the ultimate cruising boat....

Starlight 35.... Quick, High AVS, Skeg Rudder, strong, L galley, fun. Good for 2-4 people......

Like the Moody 376 as well.......

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Re: Bollx

Two transats, good stuff. But ... apart from those few months o /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gifr so... you're in the solent, yes?

Your post does seem designed as far as possible to puff out your feathers, rather like a garden bird might do. Might it not have been put forward less aggressively? I think so, in almost any other form of words...
 
Re: What should \"cruising\" boats be designed for?

Comfort and seaworthiness increase exponentially with boat length and in my opinion to even get close to achieving these the boat has to be longer than around 100 foot for blue water cruising.

Otherwise is much more comfortable, faster, safer and cheaper flying. You will find that the aircraft will almost certainly be longer than 100 foot too.
 
Re: Bollx

I don't seem to have cornered the "aggressiveness" on here old chum. You seem to want to turn this into a personal issue when it was never meant to be. It is true that after many years of cruising I have had my boat (which I built myself incidentally) based in the Solent. Prior to that I have put in more blue water miles than most in the Med, Caribbean, Atlantic and Pacific. This was done mainly with my wife as crew who I sadly lost to cancer in 1999 which has left me sailing single handed which is the main reason I now don't do the mileage I used to. I have also spent my whole life in and around the shipbuilding and boatbuilding industry and have probably built more boats than you have had hot dinners. I started sailing when I was 7 with my Grandfather and am now 65. From the age of 25 I have always owned my own boat and have had everything from wooden gaff pilot cutter, lifting keel, fin keel, bilge keel and long keel traditional boats and now have a cat so I claim to know just a little bit about what I am talking about. That however does not mean that I know everything about everything and like everyone else get things wrong from time to time, but I try not to start quarrels and be insulting and argumentative like you. Kindly address the issues under discussion and refrain from vitriolic comment.
 
Re: What should \"cruising\" boats be designed for?

Glad someone does!
Seems to me that regardless of the type of boat you have, safety and seaworthiness are still more important than speed for a cruising boat. I have a Cat but it is heavy and built like a BSH for livaboard cruising. It actually has long low aspect integral fixed keels which form water tanks. If they ever got damaged I would simply swap my fresh water for salt! If I wanted to go faster I would have a lightweight one with patio doors and dagger boards.... Heaven forbid!
 
Re: What should \"cruising\" boats be designed for?

Boatmike, I couldn't help but notice that in one reply you have been sailing for 40 years, and in another you started sailing when 7 and are now 65. Forgive me for being pedantic, but this doesn't add up! /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
Re: What should \"cruising\" boats be designed for?

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Boatmike, I couldn't help but notice that in one reply you have been sailing for 40 years, and in another you started sailing when 7 and are now 65. Forgive me for being pedantic, but this doesn't add up! /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

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To be really pedantic, it does'nt subtract.
 
Re: What should \"cruising\" boats be designed for?

I did not count my years as a child and if you want to be pedantic about it, I was master of my own vessel at 25 and am now 65 but had experience as crew before then. WTF is this anyway? The Spanish Inquisition? /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
 
Re: What should \"cruising\" boats be designed for?

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