THOSE OF US WITH BOATS IN THE MED

[Hooligan]

This truly beggars belief if true They let free movement into the U.K. for the last 3 months including every infected area in the world. This is essentially a policy of forcing British people to effectively not travel abroad. Unless of course you travel back to Ireland and then come into the U.K. if Rep of Ireland really exempted. And how will they police this? In Hong Kong they put an electronic anklet on people. Is this what we plan? And who will pick the vegetables or is that an essential worker that is exempted because someone has to pick our veg for us. Who will bail out the airlines and force people to stay at home if indeed no bracelet? Perhaps they intend to spray paint on our foreheads that rubs off after 14 days? I think we are losing the plot if this is true and the big fear is actually not what the UK government will try to do to enforce this on its own citizens but the fact that Europe will almost certainly put similar restrictions on UK citizens travelling to their countries.

 

[Portofino]

They must be worried about air travel , with airports that are international hubs .If it’s true .
I mean a place like CDG .
Even if Paris and London have similar R numbers and death rates / hospital admissions etc ....low btw .
Problem is the risk moving through a foreign large airport .....you just don’t know who’s air you are sharing with all the folks moving about .

Similarity a S American can land in Madrid .....take a train to a small airport like Alicanti jump on a returning easy jet to the UK .
They may use a Spanish pass port for this one , if they are dual nationality the UK border force will no idea a few days ago ( remember 14 + day incubation period ) they were wondering round in a virus riddled continent .


Answering the Q about “ letting them in “ up to now it’s was a numbers game .At the start , the rise of the curve there numbers 10 s of thousands being repatriated or a few hundred of thousands if you like was tiny when mixed in with the rest of the herd of 66 M .
Sure a few would have realistically of that group have carried the virus , but in the over all bigger picture with unreliable testing the risk benefit ratio when the disease is spreading anyhow in the 1 st phase it’s not worth the effort chasing down that number at that point of the pandemic .

How ever once it moves to the next phase and the numbers start to level then drop ......drop sufficiently to start easing the lockdown measures then those 10 ,s of thousands returning ( flying Hol destinations now ) if a few the same number or less are bringing the virus in like in phase 1 then it makes a difference ......the risk benefit ratio of chasing down that number , how ever few turns in favour of doing something to restrict there movements like quarantine. Harsh as it seems .

This is just flying btw because as said the high potential mixing of crowds at airports esp hubs .

Hopefully with cross border driving the risk assessment I think acceptable as I have already said in previous posts it’s basically happening with workers ( 100,000 / day cross border a day ) in Switzerland as one example and no significant issues arising .
Regional movement within countries is planned to relax in the coming weeks , as long as the various virus numbers keep going down .
Your car is your own little bubble , it’s not a crowd gathering activity you are not rebreathing somebody’s exhaled air or touching a potentially contaminated surface .
Various countries are gradually easing travel distances by road in the EU .


But yes agree I can see folks shock at the air travel quarantine idea kicking in late .

 

[Hooligan]

The policy is not just airports. It is all ports and airports. So I do not think you should assume that one can just hop on a car and all ok. And in any case it is almost certain that Europe will put the same restriction on travellers from the U.K. to Europe. Unless this is a Europe agreed policy ie Brussels has said please do this because we don’t want Brits in Europe, which I doubt, we just declared economic war on one industry in Europe ie tourism. Furthermore when do you lift it? When the virus is eradicated? Because at any time that you lift this before then you take the same risk you have described. Unless as you say the arrivals must come from a country with an R 0 less than ours. But then as you correctly say what about that Latin American with his or her Spanish passport. I am afraid that it looks as if our government is in a panic caused by incompetence. Incompetence to test, incompetence to protect frontline workers. Incompetence to protect care homes, which was truly unbelievable. So it seems everyone and especially the under 45 s who stand more chance of dying from mental health disorders or in car accidents than this virus , will pay the price.
Ps for the sake of disclosure I sadly do not fall into that age bracket!!

 

[julians]

Yeah, not happy about this. I've already lost my job, a load of cash/savings and 2 holidays because of this virus.

I guess I haven't lost any relatives or friends though, so maybe my sacrifice is small.

 

[Bouba]

Yeah, not happy about this. I've already lost my job, a load of cash/savings and 2 holidays because of this virus.

I guess I haven't lost any relatives or friends though, so maybe my sacrifice is small.

I’m sorry about that. But it does put it all in perspective, so much upheaval and our biggest concern is our holidays. That makes us the fortunate few

 

[petem]

Yeah, not happy about this. I've already lost my job, a load of cash/savings and 2 holidays because of this virus.

I guess I haven't lost any relatives or friends though, so maybe my sacrifice is small.

Sorry to hear that Julian.

 

[longjohnsilver]

Yeah, not happy about this. I've already lost my job, a load of cash/savings and 2 holidays because of this virus.

I guess I haven't lost any relatives or friends though, so maybe my sacrifice is small.

No, your sacrifice, or rather what you’ve lost, is huge. I feel for you and anyone else in your position.

 

[MapisM]

No, your sacrifice, or rather what you’ve lost, is huge. I feel for you and anyone else in your position.

Absolutely.

 

[DAW]

Macron and Philippe (the PM) have made various statements to the press over the last week or so about discussions taking place at EU level on the opening of borders. They have said that based on these discussions they could consider reopening the French borders in June or July depending on how the virus progresses. There is no real clarity or consistency in their remarks, but the suggestion seems to be no quarantine requirements for visitors travelling between countries in the Schengen zone or from the UK. Macron specifically included the UK in the quarantine free zone in one of his statements. However, they indicated that flights to/from zones outside Europe may not be permitted until September, or if they are, could be subject to strict quarantine requirements.

Assuming the UK wants to reopen its borders with Europe, it would have to follow a common approach for quarantining passengers arriving from outside Europe.

 

[Bouba]

Macron and Philippe (the PM) have made various statements to the press over the last week or so about discussions taking place at EU level on the opening of borders. They have said that based on these discussions they could consider reopening the French borders in June or July depending on how the virus progresses. There is no real clarity or consistency in their remarks, but the suggestion seems to be no quarantine requirements for visitors travelling between countries in the Schengen zone or from the UK. Macron specifically included the UK in the quarantine free zone in one of his statements. However, they indicated that flights to/from zones outside Europe may not be permitted until September, or if they are, could be subject to strict quarantine requirements.

Assuming the UK wants to reopen its borders with Europe, it would have to follow a common approach for quarantining passengers arriving from outside Europe.

Yes. It has to be remembered that the 11th of May isn’t a free for all. It’s a first tentative step and if it all goes well will be extended. Also despite national concerns, local politicians also have a say in how this unfolds. So take what you can get and be grateful, I guess.

 

[Andy Bav]

I have heard that the principle concern is that an aircrafts air con system may not be able to contain the virus such that the virus from one infected passenger could infiltrate the system and circulate around the whole plane. However the big issue is that the system could still contain the virus for the return flight, even if there was 100% certainty that all passengers were clear of it...

I have a feeling that driving to Spain in September may be the only [relatively] healthy option if I want to see our boat this season. 1,000m door to door for me ...

 

[Portofino]

Macron and Philippe (the PM) have made various statements to the press over the last week or so about discussions taking place at EU level on the opening of borders. They have said that based on these discussions they could consider reopening the French borders in June or July depending on how the virus progresses. There is no real clarity or consistency in their remarks, but the suggestion seems to be no quarantine requirements for visitors travelling between countries in the Schengen zone or from the UK. Macron specifically included the UK in the quarantine free zone in one of his statements. However, they indicated that flights to/from zones outside Europe may not be permitted until September, or if they are, could be subject to strict quarantine requirements.

Assuming the UK wants to reopen its borders with Europe, it would have to follow a common approach for quarantining passengers arriving from outside Europe.

I’ve been watching this site .....hence my motoring optimism. But agree last week the Fr were sending out contradictory msg s .



Britons Can Enter France Starting From May 11, Without Being Quarantined - SchengenVisaInfo.com

“ news” LHS margin

 

[DAW]

I have a friend who is a pilot with a major airline and so should know something about the risks associated with flying and Covid19.

Apparently, the HEPA filters on modern aircraft are remarkably effective at filtering particles from the cabin air and nobody is raising any particular concerns for them at the moment about the ability of the filters to remove Covid19 virus particles. The main worries are direct transmission from passenger to passenger and contamination of exposed surfaces, which are mostly smooth, easy clean finishes on which the virus can survive for extended periods ... certainly for the duration of a flight. Then there is the separate issue of maintaining social distancing at airports and during check-in, boarding, immigration, etc.

Assuming borders are open, my son plans to travel to the SoF for the summer. I asked for a recommendation on how he should travel and the answer was fairly emphatic ... unless the virus is under control, or they impose and enforce really tough social distancing measures on the airports/airlines, then travel by car or train.

 

[Portofino]

I have a friend who is a pilot with a major airline and so should know something about the risks associated with flying and Covid19.

Apparently, the HEPA filters on modern aircraft are remarkably effective at filtering particles from the cabin air and nobody is raising any particular concerns for them at the moment about the ability of the filters to remove Covid19 virus particles. The main worries are direct transmission from passenger to passenger and contamination of exposed surfaces, which are mostly smooth, easy clean finishes on which the virus can survive for extended periods ... certainly for the duration of a flight. Then there is the separate issue of maintaining social distancing at airports and during check-in, boarding, immigration, etc.

Assuming borders are open, my son plans to travel to the SoF for the summer. I asked for a recommendation on how he should travel and the answer was fairly emphatic ... unless the virus is under control, or they impose and enforce really tough social distancing measures on the airports/airlines, then travel by car or train.

Page 22 . a couple of weeks back .....I think we went through ease of transmission in an airport .
Penny has dropped.

 

[julians]

According to the Times the quarantine plans apply to people coming through ports and airports, but it doesn't mention the tunnel.

I'm guessing that the tunnel will also be included in the quarantine, but who knows at this stage.

 

[stelican]

According to the Times the quarantine plans apply to people coming through ports and airports, but it doesn't mention the tunnel.

I'm guessing that the tunnel will also be included in the quarantine, but who knows at this stage.

only if your are walking through.

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

According to the Times the quarantine plans apply to people coming through ports and airports, but it doesn't mention the tunnel.

I'm guessing that the tunnel will also be included in the quarantine, but who knows at this stage.

The idea is already bonkers anyway because its un-policeable but there's no way they're going to allow people to come in via the tunnel without being quarantined, if they're going to impose it on airline passengers. Obviously if that were the case, the temptation would be to get on a Eurostar to Paris and take a flight from there

As for why the quarantine is un-policeable, whats going to happen if Plod knocks on your door and gets no answer? Are they going to break into your house and check every room? Nope so your defence, if you werent in the house, could be any number of things like you were asleep, you were in the garden, you had earphones on listening to music. Lawyors would have a field day with it if Plod tried to prosecute. Many people will just think to themselves ignore the quarantine and take the risk. You might want to leave your mobile phone in the house though

The most obvious question is why they didnt impose a quarantine back in March, if it can be imposed now. Yet another example of the half baked idiocy of this govt

 

[Bouba]

I have a feeling that driving to Spain in September may be the only [relatively] healthy option if I want to see our boat this season. 1,000m door to door for me ...

Make it easy on yourself, do what Porto does. Drive a Bentley

 

[mcanderson]

Seriously I think we need to wait and see what is said rather than spinning up over circular reporting on what might or might not happen.
The French toyed with 14 days of quarantine for all arrivals and that got kicked into touch for EU and Shengen arrivals. Yes outside this might be more problematic, but for now the UK is still part of the EU for travel purposes so let’s just wait and see.

 

[mcanderson]

My Uni was 1400 km from my family home and I drove that in a day in a 1978 Toyota Corona when I set off in 1988. So longs drives in a more modern car are a doddle. My biggest problem driving now is not collecting speeding fines....