Suez blocked.

[Bajansailor]

What I don't get about that little gem and so many like it is why do it? What's the benefit, and to whom?

The benefit is to the many folk like Adrian, who believe it implicitly, and think it is absolutely true and helps their cause - they are the dedicated QAnon types (who are all totally barking mad).

 

[rogerthebodger]

Its human nature people with an agenda will always pickup on any news ,fake or true , that the think will confirm their preconceived idas.

Its called confirmation bias.

 

[mjcoon]

Its human nature people with an agenda will always pickup on any news ,fake or true , that the think will confirm their preconceived idas.

Its called conformation bias.

It should be, but I think instead it is called confirmation bias...

 

[Biggles Wader]

I like a certain female singer and I like it even more whenever I hear her sing. Is that called Joan Bias?

 

[rogerthebodger]

It should be, but I think instead it is called confirmation bias...

Yes finger trouble, you can be into serious trouble when you put your fingers in the wrong place.

I like a certain female singer and I like it even more whenever I hear her sing. Is that called Joan Bias?

I recall Joan Bias is spelt Joan Biaz and it still alive and kicking of 80.

 

[Stork_III]

Yes finger trouble, you can be into serious trouble when you put your fingers in the wrong place.



I recall Joan Bias is spelt Joan Biaz and it still alive and kicking of 80.

Baez? Still looking good at 80.

 

[Babylon]

Is she also stuck in the canal?

 

[penfold]

She's running a sit-in.

 

[westhinder]

The benefit is to the many folk like Adrian, who believe it implicitly, and think it is absolutely true and helps their cause - they are the dedicated QAnon types (who are all totally barking mad).

Barking mad, maybe. Or utterly cynical and fully aware of the fact that unstable minds will go along with it. Destabilising society is the ultimate goal, and judging by the last couple of years, they are pretty successful, alas.

 

[Stemar]

Or utterly cynical and fully aware of the fact that unstable minds will go along with it.

That gets my vote.

Unfortunately, a couple of friends of Milady do believe their garbage. Possibly not entirely coincidentally, given the French attitude to authority (until they get a bit themselves), they're both French

 

[fisherman]

Is the earlier pic photoshopped?

 

[penfold]

Flattering lighting, soft-focus, potatoshop; it all amounts to the same thing.

 

[pyrojames]

The big blue Danish line is the main culprit here. A colleague of mine did a tour of the Med on a Grimaldi ship and said both the food and wine were superb.

Yes, I tend to put on weight when I visit them!

 

[Concerto]

I see Ever Given is still anchored in the Suez Canal. Any idea if the survey of the hull has been completed and if any damage has been found. Also how long might remain here. I do pity all the owners of the goods in containers still aboard as they must be suffering with their stock not being delivered.

 

[Kukri]

I see Ever Given is still anchored in the Suez Canal. Any idea if the survey of the hull has been completed and if any damage has been found. Also how long might remain here. I do pity all the owners of the goods in containers still aboard as they must be suffering with their stock not being delivered.

I suspect this may have more to do with the Egyptian Government’s stated wish to receive one billion dollars than with hull damage.

 

[Bajansailor]

I suspect this may have more to do with the Egyptian Government’s stated wish to receive one billion dollars than with hull damage.

Sounds like they are basically now holding the Ever Given as a hostage to try to get their ransom paid.
Is there any legal precedent for this?
I am thinking of an analogy like if I have a car crash on the M 3, and I cause the motorway to be closed, and many other vehicles delayed, they are not all going to try to sue me?

 

[Charlie Boy]

I suspect this may have more to do with the Egyptian Government’s stated wish to receive one billion dollars than with hull damage.

I can’t imagine that the Ever Given, even with her cargo is worth remotely near a billion. The insurers are probably happier to let it rot there while the Evergreen line send all their other boats the long way round

 

[Fr J Hackett]

I suppose they have a justifiable claim for lost revenue on ships that rerouted and works and damages to the canal all of which will amount to a tidy sum.
Presumably Evergreen will have a claim against their insurers for lost revenues if the detention of the ship is down to the insurers holding things up.

 

[pyrojames]

I can’t imagine that the Ever Given, even with her cargo is worth remotely near a billion. The insurers are probably happier to let it rot there while the Evergreen line send all their other boats the long way round

It may not be that far off....

 

[newtothis]

I can’t imagine that the Ever Given, even with her cargo is worth remotely near a billion. The insurers are probably happier to let it rot there while the Evergreen line send all their other boats the long way round

You'd be surprised... the mean value of the contents of headhaul containers is $40,000 per teu. That was a fully laden 20,000 teu boxship, so say 9,000 40 ft containers.
9,000 x $40,000 x 2 = $720m. That's quite a lot to right off, esp when there are fairly well-recognised arbitration routes that will reduce the SCA's claims down to something a little more realistic.
Evergreen can't just send its ships the long way around. Not only is there the huge cost in time/fuel costs, but it is part of an alliance of shared services that plan their network deployments jointly.
Container shipping is based on regular scheduled 'bus' services, not the pick-up -a-cargo-and-take-it-somewhere 'taxi' services that dry and wet bulk ships tend to do.