bigmart
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Of course I understand that we do not all think the same. You must of course also understand that I have the right to argue my case as vehemently as I deem necessary. It is, of course, impossible for me to respond, with facts, on the individual cases that you have mentioned, because until recently you have seen fit to conceal the facts from us, indeed we still do not have anything like a fair & unbiased view, but I am entitled to draw my own conclusions from the information that I do have. Most of this takes the form of the tone of your posts & gives a clue your attitude to others on the water. As you rightly say(see I do agree with you) the point of this forum is that we should understand each other. The point of my posts are, I have heard your statements & I disagree with you. Furthermore I have not heard anything to change my view.
With regard to racing in other forms. You rightly mention cycling but I assume that you may also be aware that many other sports involve competetive use of public highways. Long distance running, Motor rallying & motorcycling are some that spring to mind. There are obvious dangers if you get involved in a road rally & the frustration at being held up for half an hour while waiting for the local half marathon to Pass may cause the odd heart attack. You wont find me advocating the banning, or restricting, of any of these sports, regardless of the fact that they sometimes annoy & in many cases I personally find them tedious & pointless.
As I have said in an earlier post, beware he that seeks to restrict the freedom of others may deeply regret what he himself loses.
You, of course, did not mention these specific cases & colisions earlier. One has to conclude that, unless there was a successful insurance claim, by yourself, or ratification by officialdom, then your cases had doubtful validity under colision regulations. So far you have not told us if this is the case so, for now, we must draw our own conclusions again.
In contrast to you, it is my contention that the use of the water for all, is a privledge. Attempting to use legislation, to limit the freedom of any section of our society, just leaves the door open for others to hijack the legislation for their own ends. I can visualise the public hearing. ABP stand up & say look, Your Honour, even ordinary yachties admit yacht racing is dangerous. They have lobbied & seen fit, to restrict racing. This is the only justification we need to ban racing in a busy waterway like the Solent. You must agree with us, Your Honour. The economy of Cowes is now almost dead & its only a few years untill they have justified restricting leisure boats in the whole of the Solent.
I must admit you have used an interesting tack to silence me as one of your critics. Our illustrious moderator can silence me if he sees fit. I will not shut up for you. My beef with you is purely that you assume that you as, a presumably older cruising yachty, are superior to those racing sailors you seek to control & definitely better than those ill mannered youngsters whom, you appear to feel, do not give you proper reverence for being a doddery old git, or if you prefer, of advancing years & definitely due for deep genuflexion when you pass. In my book you get respect because you earn it, not because you think you are superior. I am, by nature, extremely wary of people who seek to lump, in your case, all racing sailors & all the young, under headings that relegate them to the lower classes.
If you dissagree with my statements I suggest that you re-read your statements in the post that started this thread.
I am very sorry that you dont like what I have written but I find you attitude pretty abhorrent too.
Martin
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With regard to racing in other forms. You rightly mention cycling but I assume that you may also be aware that many other sports involve competetive use of public highways. Long distance running, Motor rallying & motorcycling are some that spring to mind. There are obvious dangers if you get involved in a road rally & the frustration at being held up for half an hour while waiting for the local half marathon to Pass may cause the odd heart attack. You wont find me advocating the banning, or restricting, of any of these sports, regardless of the fact that they sometimes annoy & in many cases I personally find them tedious & pointless.
As I have said in an earlier post, beware he that seeks to restrict the freedom of others may deeply regret what he himself loses.
You, of course, did not mention these specific cases & colisions earlier. One has to conclude that, unless there was a successful insurance claim, by yourself, or ratification by officialdom, then your cases had doubtful validity under colision regulations. So far you have not told us if this is the case so, for now, we must draw our own conclusions again.
In contrast to you, it is my contention that the use of the water for all, is a privledge. Attempting to use legislation, to limit the freedom of any section of our society, just leaves the door open for others to hijack the legislation for their own ends. I can visualise the public hearing. ABP stand up & say look, Your Honour, even ordinary yachties admit yacht racing is dangerous. They have lobbied & seen fit, to restrict racing. This is the only justification we need to ban racing in a busy waterway like the Solent. You must agree with us, Your Honour. The economy of Cowes is now almost dead & its only a few years untill they have justified restricting leisure boats in the whole of the Solent.
I must admit you have used an interesting tack to silence me as one of your critics. Our illustrious moderator can silence me if he sees fit. I will not shut up for you. My beef with you is purely that you assume that you as, a presumably older cruising yachty, are superior to those racing sailors you seek to control & definitely better than those ill mannered youngsters whom, you appear to feel, do not give you proper reverence for being a doddery old git, or if you prefer, of advancing years & definitely due for deep genuflexion when you pass. In my book you get respect because you earn it, not because you think you are superior. I am, by nature, extremely wary of people who seek to lump, in your case, all racing sailors & all the young, under headings that relegate them to the lower classes.
If you dissagree with my statements I suggest that you re-read your statements in the post that started this thread.
I am very sorry that you dont like what I have written but I find you attitude pretty abhorrent too.
Martin
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