Polish Flag Registration

[billskip]

I forgot that question, didn't want to upset them

ICC. A suitably qualified UK NATIONAL living abroad, with no UK residence, can be issued with an ICC but they must make their nationality clear on the application.

? wonderful well let's see what happens to my renewal application...I hope you are right as no refunds....when I enquired about 18 months ago shortly after moving here they said no as I did not have a UK address.

 

[Graham376]

? wonderful well let's see what happens to my renewal application...I hope you are right as no refunds....when I enquired about 18 months ago shortly after moving here they said no as I did not have a UK address.

The guy I spoke to said most important to highlight your nationality as applications from outside the UK are usually subject to Resolution 40. As interpretation can change depending on who answers the phone, maybe phone first for confirmation and get his/her name.

 

[dunedin]

I am on Tenerife ...however this is the internet which means it is www not just UK
You may be a little surprised that there are people down under that post here.

But you don't show your location, so how could anybody guess to answer your specific and unusual situation.
Yes internet is global, but like most sites this one has a strong bias to its host location, the UK, unless specified otherwise

 

[Graham376]

But you don't show your location, so how could anybody guess to answer your specific and unusual situation.
Yes internet is global, but like most sites this one has a strong bias to its host location, the UK, unless specified otherwise

But you don't say where you are in summer

 

[dunedin]

But you don't say where you are in summer

i am not asking questions about details of using Uk certificates in overseas water

I was just responding to the grump in post #47 that “What surprises me is why the forum members that I'm sure know the answers as they work in the industry /sailing schools/examiners wont give a clear understanding on this thread.”
Dont get a clear understanding of complex international situations without giving details

 

[billskip]

W

i am not asking questions about details of using Uk certificates in overseas water

I was just responding to the grump in post #47 that “What surprises me is why the forum members that I'm sure know the answers as they work in the industry /sailing schools/examiners wont give a clear understanding on this thread.”
Dont get a clear understanding of complex international situations without giving details

it wasn't a grump it was more curiosity....?...

 

[Tranona]

I interpret that the op thinks that getting Polish registration also removes the necessity for complying with a countries skipper qualification requirement .

But it does. There are no qualification requirements to skipper a Polish boat as far as I am aware, just as there are no qualification requirements to skipper a UK registered private boat under 24m.

So where you are you can buy a boat and register it on Part 1 then use it without any qualifications. However if it is on the Spanish register then it is controlled by Spanish law which requires you to have an appropriate Spanish qualification (and the boat is subject to their rules on equipment and inspections). The reason behind this state of affairs is the legal principle of "comity" where one state respects the other state's law. It is not compulsory for states to do this - for example Portugal classes non Portuguese registered boats as "resident" if they are kept in Portugal for more than 180 days a year and are then subject to local equipment requirements - but not inspections, nor qualifications for skippers. I am not aware of any Spanish law that is comparable and certainly none that requires skippers, even if resident to have any other qualifications other than those required by the flag state - in the case of UK none.

It is important to understand that registers perform different functions in different countries. For example in most EU states registration is linked to VAT payment. Most registers also have a role in proving ownership. Many use it to determine where the and now the boat can be used, the equipment required and qualifications needed to use it. This is all domestic requirement and nothing to do (for private boats) with identifying flag state. As Graham said earlier these requirements stem from the state's desire to control the activities of its citizens which is the foundation of Roman law - the law states what you can do rather than what you can't as in common law.

 

[Tranona]

Nope. I'm trying find a reasonable alternative to Part 1 that doesn't mean taking out a large bank overdraft.

Suspect you will find that Part 1 is the easiest if you have the correct provenance on the boat to give you title to register. The barrier is the cost of the survey, but you may well find that the cost of a "flag of convenience" exceeds the cost of the survey for Part 1. Some people find it easier to deal with the Channel Islands registries than Cardiff although the requirements are basically the same. As I said earlier if you combine the tonnage survey with the pre purchase survey (which your insurers will almost certainly require anyway) the cost is not too onerous.

 

[Graham376]

As Graham said earlier these requirements stem from the state's desire to control the activities of its citizens which is the foundation of Roman law - the law states what you can do rather than what you can't as in common law.

One thing I do find frustrating in Portugal is that when we had the problem with scuba diving, I asked the police where the signs were posted advising people that it illegal (as is snorkeling without license) he replied, "it's not up to us to tell you, it's up to you to find out what the laws are". Never take it for granted that because something is OK in the UK, the same applies elsewhere.

P.S. Don't fish off the boat unless you have a license and everyone on deck is wearing a life jacket The locals know but no-one tells the visitors!

 

[sailaboutvic]

As I said earlier if you combine the tonnage survey with the pre purchase survey (which your insurers will almost certainly require anyway) the cost is not too onerous.

If I may correct you here I have self survey my last two boats I purchase and I'm insuranced with pants .
Maybe because I been with them for over 30 years there are happy for me to do so but I don't expect I'm the only one.

 

[Tranona]

If I may correct you here I have self survey my last two boats I purchase and I'm insuranced with pants .
Maybe because I been with them for over 30 years there are happy for me to do so but I don't expect I'm the only one.

That may well be your experience but it is increasingly uncommon and most insurers now with a new proposal particularly for an older boat will insist on a survey and often conditional on key things like rig replacement if no evidence that it has been done recently. All part of their drive to exclude what they see as high risk in the hope of getting their business back into profit.

 

[billskip]

That may well be your experience but it is increasingly uncommon and most insurers now with a new proposal particularly for an older boat will insist on a survey and often conditional on key things like rig replacement if no evidence that it has been done recently. All part of their drive to exclude what they see as high risk in the hope of getting their business back into profit.

Are the underwriters screaming? I remember a good few years ago there was a few Lloyd's names threatening to pull their security

 

[sailaboutvic]

That may well be your experience but it is increasingly uncommon and most insurers now with a new proposal particularly for an older boat will insist on a survey and often conditional on key things like rig replacement if no evidence that it has been done recently. All part of their drive to exclude what they see as high risk in the hope of getting their business back into profit.

The boat we have now was brought April this year and pants was happy for a self survey, they give you a list they want check.
The down side is if anything goes wrong say the rig falls over you can't then blame someone else .
Luck for use the rigging was only change 6 years ago, so that wasn't a issue.
on our last boat we change the rigging anyway as it was 9 years old

 

[Tranona]

Are the underwriters screaming? I remember a good few years ago there was a few Lloyd's names threatening to pull their security

Yes. Regular stream of posts here reporting tougher conditions for getting insurance, especially for new purchases of older boats, but also of renewal quotes with huge increases as insurers adjust their portfolios to reduce their risks and try to get back to profitability.

 

[Graham376]

Yes. Regular stream of posts here reporting tougher conditions for getting insurance, especially for new purchases of older boats, but also of renewal quotes with huge increases as insurers adjust their portfolios to reduce their risks and try to get back to profitability.

Last year, we found few willing to quote on moorings 365. Amlin would only offer us third party, Pants wanted survey before cover and N & G wanted survey before this years renewal. Another (can't remember who) wanted us in a marina for the winter months. Went with N & G.

 

[webcraft]

Graham, where do you get a licence to fish off the boat and how much is it?

- W

 

[Graham376]

Graham, where do you get a licence to fish off the boat and how much is it?
- W

I've never bothered so don't know the details. Quick Google brought this site up - How to get a fishing license in Portugal | Read More (boaondaguesthousepeniche.com)

 

[GHA]

Graham, where do you get a licence to fish off the boat and how much is it?

- W

In the doorway of the PM office in Faro, by the marine - think you can pay on a cash machine with a local bank card.
(evernote is great cruising, so you can easily save anything & everything AND find it again a year or 3 later ?)

 

[Stingo]

In the doorway of the PM office in Faro, by the marine - think you can pay on a cash machine with a local bank card.
(evernote is great cruising, so you can easily save anything & everything AND find it again a year or 3 later ?)

Which license did you get and how much was it? More importantly, how many fish did you catch?

 

[GHA]

Which license did you get and how much was it? More importantly, how many fish did you catch?

didn't go further than clicky a piccy on the phone ?