No more wash - white paper rules for the solent?

[jimi]

Agree

A bit of manners goes a long way..

1)Motorboats do seem to go out their way to make other peoples life uncomfortable.
2)This can be dangerous .. between the Needles & Poole one weekday I'm the only boat in sight. Two large powerboats alter course to pass within yards of me, second one nearly hit me when he bounced uncontrollably on the wash of the first

Rules do'nt change that type of behaviour ... Its a mental attitude!

 

[KevB]

Re: Agree

zzzzzzz

what d'ya mean it's not made to get wet?

 

[Chris_Rayner]

Motorboats on the plain

Preferrably Salisbury I think.

It's a joke, OK?!

 

[jimi]

Re: Agree

you would'nt have said that had he collided & killed my 3 young daughters!

With rights come responsibility.

Grow up

 

[Chris_Rayner]

No steerage way under 5 knots

How on earth do you moor and manouevre in close quarters? With a tug?

 

[andyball]

Re: No steerage way under 5 knots

Yes , RayB, do tell what boat (ship?) you have that can't be steered under 5 knots.

 

[robp]

Re: Agree

Kev, Like most sail boaters and motor boaters, I don't get involved in animosity between the two disciplines. We all share a love of the sea. However, regarding the comments made by several posters about boats being made to get wet etc. Experiencing severe wash, whether at anchor or sailing is completely different to a moderate or rough sea. It is very much more uncomfortable, with a violent rocking motion from side to side. It also can cause crash gybes. One memorable time for me was when the R.N powered up the fairway (Swash)?, into Poole. I suffered nasty, albeit cosmetic damage to my new boat with stuff flying about in the saloon. OK, it was my fault for not stowing properly but it wouldn't have happened in anything near the expected weather that day. Point is that many power cruisers may not actually know what the experience is like.

Unfortunately I can't be on your cruise to Bucklers this weekend, or I'd buy you a pint and try to persuade you. Maybe the cruise where Motors and Sail swap crew will be an opportunity?

Rob

Beneteau - Clipper Rose

 

[RayB]

Re: Agree

andy ball see my earlier answer, re Cowes example, or do you want me to draw you a picture if this is too difficult for you to comprehend!

"Hopefully that won't be too expensive to fix?"

 

[andyball]

Re: Agree

very cutting, I'm sure. You're as easily riled by 4 kids making hand signals too ?.

I actually asked what boat it was, not where & when, but never mind....no offence & all that.

 

[hlb]

Trust TMC to spoil all the fun. I thought the whole idea in the Solent, was to use the raggies like Slalom Poles. Trying to zig zag between them. Bit of a bugger when they get that close together. You have to shut your eyes to get through the gap! And look at the great cost we bear in fuel. Just to keep the raggies bobbing about a bit. I think they should pay half. There getting more fun than we are out of it. Not forgetting all the free rough weather training there getting. And all free. The raggies should be thankfull for the helpfull friendly motorboaties. All in my humble opinion of course.

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Haydn

 

[webcraft]

Good grief, will this thread never end?

I've been through the Solent once - this March, end to end and saw about three other boats. Guess I was lucky, after reading this I won't be hurrying back. Sailing mostly on the W. coast of Scotland, Clyde or Irish Sea, I can honestly say I've never been bothered by wash.

[ grins smugly ]

- Nick


BlueMoment.Com
http://www.bluemoment.com

 

[ToMo]

Aah in that case me the boys'll be lookin for ya!!!
Splishy splash and the washout brigade.

 

[Bergman]

I agree with the principles you describe although it saddens me that its necessary to have to spell out common courtesy in detail.

My main worry about your suggestion is that someone will actually try to implement it - which will involve some sort of regulation.

Not necessarily a bad thing if it was limited to your original ideas.

But it wouldn't be

Some burocrat would be asked to draft it and he would see a job creation opportunity to stretch the limits and create an organisation to enforce it.

The lawyers would check the draft and find they couldn't define the Solent and the regulation would become all UK waters.

The Eurocrats would be copied in for information - and would re-draft to include everything that might possibly float anywhere.

The Euro lawyers would check again and find that it may infringe the human rights of people who need to create a spectacle of themselves

The safety mafia would get involved and demand wash resistance tests and a roll recovery standard for all floating objects that could only be met by a small island.

And so on

Problem is you can't draft a regulation that stops a***holes being a***holes.

Saving grace is that the problem seems limited to Solent and I don't normally sail within 200 miles of the place.

 

[halcyon]

Afraid you have missed a bit out, the burocrats only write the regulations, they do not interprit them, that up to the law courts and judges. So it requires some poor sod to get caught, then the lawers and judges decide what the law says not what the burocrats ment to say. Then the Euro courts say that it's all wrong, and the Euro burocrats draft a regulation to replace the British regulation that no-one understood in the first place.


Brian

I want a wet bottom

 

[tcm]

Re: Agree, robp

Yes, i didn't really really know what it's like until sailing. This isn't a power/sail issue, nor one of experience, as most experience is seen (almost 100% quite rightly) as being gained whilst on board own boat... cept this.

 

[tcm]

Re: Agree

i understand said vessel is a fairline 29(feet) twin diesels, max 35 knots or more i believe. New to owner this season. But he's had other boats and lots of on-board tuition. I'm making some of this up...

 

[tcm]

Re: lighten up!

come on guys, this wasn't a cue for a discussion about the morbid fears that the taxman will get you and you're all gonna die (except, er he will and you are) ...

In the med, jolly types man the craft I suggest. Charities not unlike RNLI man the things. Strapping youngsters help minor accidents, tow people, deter offshore swimmers and all that. It looks good on their CV if they decide to get a "proper job" or perhaps lures them to a life on water. In high season many more boats congregate at harbour entrances than are around solent marinas, but there might be a chap around sooo......on the powerboats we keep it sensible.

 

[tcm]

Re: How fast how near KevB?

umm, well it most certainly *is* possible to get on the plane, but the route may not be a straight line between ports. Fair eniough, it's a discussion - you want to be free to do 25 knots (more ? what?) within under 100metres. So what would be a workable "rule"? Under 30 knots within 30 feet would, i hope be a bit ridiculous? So, what 's the number?

(actually KevB, I had hoped that the saily types would get a bit closer towards discussing the numbers but they seemd determined to whinge an whine about, well, anything including beaurocrats, govt, etc etc) ..... but please DON'T take offence and DO discuss numbers...I want to know the numbers at which powrboaties generally would think ooeer that was a bit close and horrid of me ahem, sorree, and back off next time. Consider yerself representativbe of "powerboaties generally" whereas solentwise, I'm not as your correctly pointed out.

 

[Bergman]

Re: lighten up!

Didn't mean to get heavy about it

Tongue somewhere near cheek

Its just that we don't seem very good in this country at simply doing something without lots of argument about who does what to whom and why.

And thats official!

 

[tcm]

Re: delivery

Hmm agreed. I spose in that sense seems ok to let the rnli do it, make their own rules, and HMG very hands off with whatever they fancy doing, it seems. And mostly it turns out fine! My earlier plans have included handing over the NHS to the WVF and appointing Anneka Rice to carry out all major civil engineering projects....

seriously, is this a total no-no for the rnli? After all, they were started in mumbly hundreds of years ago, loads more ship, crap forecasting, no gps...these days merchant shiping needs less help, and of course er doesn't exist prasps for the reasons which you stated.....