Wansworth
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That’s the spirit?
Motion comfort a priority
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Blueboatman
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Then you must definitely buy a lovely old sailing vessel . Enjoy the fettle, the settle and the set-sail.
kolyo
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Been the other way round all my life. As far as practicality is concerned I mean
. I know I'll regret it if I don't try the real stuff before I kick the bucket.kolyo
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Blueboatman
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Oh most definitely
kolyo
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She's lovely, isn't she. And a lot younger than my missus - a tad under 55.
kolyo
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Well, anyone with an experience of a bilge keel Seamaster Sailler23 ???
(106) My Classic Boat. Seamaster Sailer 23 1972 - YouTube
(106) My Classic Boat. Seamaster Sailer 23 1972 - YouTube
Wansworth
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My only comment is Iknew an old chap who quite happily sailed the channel in one
Praxinoscope
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Traditional wooden built boats are lovely, but they require a high degree of maintenance, and if you really want to spend most of your time ‘fettling’ rather than out of the water, then go down that route, but if you want to spend more time on the water and reduce fettling then IMHO you need to go for a GRP boat.
I would tentatively suggest you look to see if there is a Sadler 26, I don’t think it has such nice lines as the Sadler 25 but it is a later design , benefits form improved interior, is nice to handle it was sold as being unsinkable and should be within your budget.
It may take you a little time to fully appreciate the joys of sailing as opposed to power, which includes the pleasure of using just the wind as your means of propulsion and the peace this engenders (unless you are frantically racing).
There are of course several alternatives to the Sadler I have suggested that may be found in your area, and as others have said spend some time looking around.
If you do eventually join the ‘raggies’ I am sure you will be hooked and possibly wonder why it took you so long to join us.
Best of luck.
I would tentatively suggest you look to see if there is a Sadler 26, I don’t think it has such nice lines as the Sadler 25 but it is a later design , benefits form improved interior, is nice to handle it was sold as being unsinkable and should be within your budget.
It may take you a little time to fully appreciate the joys of sailing as opposed to power, which includes the pleasure of using just the wind as your means of propulsion and the peace this engenders (unless you are frantically racing).
There are of course several alternatives to the Sadler I have suggested that may be found in your area, and as others have said spend some time looking around.
If you do eventually join the ‘raggies’ I am sure you will be hooked and possibly wonder why it took you so long to join us.
Best of luck.
ChromeDome
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Can you find a bilge keel boat of that type in Greece at all?
If not it might be because locals (venturing out at sea for 3500 years - approx) didn't find it suitable.
Not a lot of drying out there either.
If not it might be because locals (venturing out at sea for 3500 years - approx) didn't find it suitable.
Not a lot of drying out there either.
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MisterBaxter
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If you could find a Westerly Centaur locally I reckon you could do a lot worse for your requirements.
kolyo
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I was only pulling leg posting the picture of that lovely looking Marina 75 motorsailer. Of course I'd prefer to spend as much time as I can to fully appreciate the joys of sailing!! The possibility, however minimal, of that happening was the driving force behind the power to sailboat idea. I've no need to rush to anywhere anymore and I'm definitely done with the noise of motorboats, particularly at planing speeds. And, yes, I already regret that it took me so long to join the ‘raggies’, as you put. I do hope it's not too late to learn the basics of true sailing so that I can fully appreciate and enjoy the scenery of my area. That's why advice like yours is invaluable to me. Thank you!!
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what would make it really nice is if you can truly go with the speed the wind dictates. Nearly every sailor just sticks the motor on rather than drift for a time when the wind drops a bit. Everyone is still working to a deadline even on their days off. If you have the time to do that then its worth getting into sailing
kolyo
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Very enlightening, to me at least. Thanks a lot, mate
I'd be even more grateful If you could come up with any suggestions in the 23-26 ft range. So far I''ve compiled the following list:- Seamaster Sailer 23
- Westery Centaur (a bit too big)
- Comar Comet 700 (6 ft+ standing height courtesy of the lifting roof)
Praxinoscope
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If you are not concerned about the limited headroom about 5’10’‘ at best and fairly narrow cabin, the Contessa 26 or the Invicta 26 or slightly longer at 27’, but a lovely boat thé Albin Vega, are certainly worth looking at, slightly older than the Centaur, all are long keel (based upon Folkboat design) sail superbly and are in your price range.
I had an Invicta 26 for over 20 years, won races with it, but also used it for long passages, (last one was a round trip from Aberaeron to A Caruna)
I had an Invicta 26 for over 20 years, won races with it, but also used it for long passages, (last one was a round trip from Aberaeron to A Caruna)
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So standing headroom. Plastic for ease of maintenance. Cheap?Very enlightening, to me at least. Thanks a lot, mate
- Seamaster Sailer 23
- Westery Centaur (a bit too big)
- Comar Comet 700 (6 ft+ standing height courtesy of the lifting roof)
Here's a three little bears of boats.
A 23ft Newbridge Virgo Voyager I had had an amazing ability to just bob up and down like a weighted cork when passing wakes went under it while small boats on other moorings where rolling like crazy. I had the bilge keeler but came with fin or lifting as well. Down side is to have the standing headroom it was too voluminous low down in the hull for the length and the Subbuteo like hull shape gave impressive pitching in short head seas
I see brokers are like estate agents now with their photos Newbridge Virgo Voyager | Brighton Boat Sales should be a law against this lens
Or theres the Trident 24? Very nice sailing hull shape, just sized down from bigger boats so its not as big as it looks. This way it kept a very sea kindly motion but at the cost of being quite cramped inside and not standing headroom
Then the just right porridge was a long fin keel Offshore "8 meter" otherwise known as Van De Stadt Breis that had a lovely motion. Used 1971 Van De Stadt Bries | Botentekoop might need new sails and rigging but interior is unmolested by the look of it. I'd go with a minimum 26ft as that seems to be just long enough for the hull to have standing headroom with decent living space and to have a fine entry and a nice pitching motion. Its also heavy enough to walk around the decks without your weight tipping the boat very much. Van De Stadt Bries This one was 5k euros.
Pretty much any from this era were more seakindly than newer designs. Thing is they do lean more under sail initially especially with a small amount of wind. The wide flat new things barely lean to start with but the trade off seems to be horribly jerky motion in less than flat water which is more tiring and unpleasant for someone prone to sea sickness. The more traditional shaped feel nice when they are slicing through the waves as well.
ProDave
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The motion of a sailboat with the sails up and sailing, is very different to the motion of a motor boat or indeed the sailboat motoring in the same conditions with the sails down. I prefer the motion with the sails up. But a lot of the time you will be heeling at an angle and that is something some people do not like.
LittleSister
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In my experience seasickness in partners is often about (or at least very much affected by) how comfortable, confident and 'in control' they feel being on a boat and that boat in particular. If they know and accept why the boat is heeling, rolling, etc. and feel they are able to and are engaged in controlling the boat - steering and sail/motor handling, etc. Sitting there not knowing, and not wanting to know, what is going on, focused on how they're feeling rather than operating the boat, is a recipe for both seasickness, and resentment for being made seasick. (Or to put it another way, it's about the skipper as well as the boat!)
I don't know how prices are down in Greece, but I doubt you will get much creature comfort at that price.
Force 5 seems a lot for a partner with seasickness and bad back, especially in a small boat.
For ease of use a junk rig has a lot going for it. Few of them about though.
Nonsense. Some may be, some aren't. Lots of other, more important, factors at play influencing roll.
I don't have experience of actually using one, but having had one parked next to me years ago and reading reviews around that time they seem fairly typical middle of the road cruiser of their time - no greyhound but good compromise of space for size and sailing ability. (My boat at the time had better sailing performance, but I was envious of his (relative!) accommodation volume.)
Unless there were one available in the area I wouldn't, if I were you get hung up on searching for a particular model - there's likely to be limited choice - but on finding something non-extreme in reasonable condition. Condition and kit more important than exact model.
That said an LM23 or LM24 (or even one of the smaller LMs, though they're rare away from the Baltic), if you can find one in that location and price range, might be very suitable for your purposes.
kolyo
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I have already been warned that if I want to enjoy a relative stability with a sailboat while motoring without the sails up I should not go out in more that 3, possibly 4 Bft, and no more than 4-5 miles from a safe mooring. If this is true it would be perfectly acceptable compromise for me.