Give way no chance

[greeny]

Would agree in general sailing brits are better on the water than our Iberian peninsula friends. And they are the ones with the pieces of paper.. Exams do less than a culture of self education.

I don't think I said this in my post - "in general sailing brits are better on the water than our Iberian peninsula friends"
I actually think that generally the level of competence here is fairly similar between Brit and Portuguese boaters.

I would think that most Brits abroad in sailing boats and larger mobos have taken some test and obtained at least some piece of paper to satisfy the "foreign" authorities. I also believe that there is a culture of self education generally within that group to learn and get better.
Unfortunately I don't see the same level of commitment to learn in the powerboat/ jetski community in many cases. They are out there to have fun, sod everyone else.
I'm not trying to drive a wedge in between sailors and small power boat users. There's good and bad in both. I'm just stating my observations and experiences.
If there is no culture of self education in the group then tuition and examination has got to be better than nothing.
I know testing and licensing is a touchy subject for UK boaters but times have changed, many more boats on the water now everywhere you go and with those boats has come more risk of meeting one (or 2) of the idiots.
I'm just glad I don't boat in the solent anymore.
Licensing seems to be the norm in most other places in the world so what makes Brits special. ?? that we don't need it.

 

[greeny]

That said a license would also be a barrier for some people to get on the water in the first place...

Not a bad thing in some cases.

 

[GHA]

I actually think that generally the level of competence here is fairly similar between Brit and Portuguese boaters.

Some data might be noting which flags are on the back of all the boats that drag when the daily westerly sea breezes kick in on an average August afternoon in Culatra

 

[greeny]

Haha yes have to agree there. Makes for good armchair viewing though. Crystal in hand.

 

[Blue Sunray]

OK. It makes a bit of a difference, but not enough for a significant proportion of drivers to cause mayhem daily. Hardly sufficient evidence for the imposition of bureaucracy into the world of yachting where the risk to third parties is relatively small.

Rubbish, it made a huge difference, you weren't there man, but a moment's thought might give an idea of what roads are like in those circumstances.

 

[Babylon]

Its not the colour of your flag or your skin, nor whether you're a dinghy or a power-boat, neither is it the temperature of the waters you frequent, nor is it how many certificates you've got stowed up your stern - its just that a minority of people will always be rubbish, some will be arrogant, and some simply unfortunate.

So keep a good lookout for yourself and be ready for Plan B and Plan C...!

 

[Refueler]

Wonder if it was the same chap who decided to sail in front of the Brittany Ferries ship Amorque last summer just as we were 150 meters from the pier at Roscoff? Five proper blasts from a big ships horn: I wonder if he had some dry cleaning as a result of that. His 180 degree turn was scored 3/10 for technical content.

Was carrying a blue duster at the back?

Oh Dear ... many years ago in previous incarnations of the forum ... a regular wind up thread was to post about Blue Ensigns ... it nearly beat anchoring threads for the crap posted !!

 

[Refueler]

Maybe an argument for compulsory licensing including practical boat handling and a genuine classroom examination of all the other stuff.. You can't use a vhf without one but you can skipper a boat.

Actually you can use a VHF without a licence ... IF its emergency or have a licenced person 'supervise you' .... just commenting ..

 

[MarkCX]

Just curious (I have one)... does anyone ever get prosecuted for not having a VHF licence?

 

[NotBirdseye]

Just curious (I have one)... does anyone ever get prosecuted for not having a VHF licence?

Lets not even consider risking this... can't imagine the MCA will be best too pleased...

 

[awol]

Just curious (I have one)... does anyone ever get prosecuted for not having a VHF licence?

Never heard of anyone being done and I have listened to some calls made by people who have either never passed the exam or have very short memories. Know lots with non-DSC SRCs but who have DSC sets.

 

[lenten]

years ago portsmouth fishing boats-----donald duck calling mickey mouse/pluto/olive oil/etc/etc-------tank radios from scrap yard at top of portsmouth---illegal but totally ignored by authorities

 

[greeny]

Actually you can use a VHF without a licence ... IF its emergency or have a licenced person 'supervise you' .... just commenting ..

I stand corrected in the forum. But I did actually know that already. It just didn't seem relevant in the context of the thread.

 

[38mess]

I get this happening quite a lot to me. I run a small ferry, plus charter passenger boats and I keep a good lookout in 'silly season'
I find most people know the rules of the road, and know when to apply them, but a significant number either don't know or choose to ignore them.
I don't know what the answer is, but I have CCTV on all of my boats Incase of recourse.

 

[Refueler]

I get this happening quite a lot to me. I run a small ferry, plus charter passenger boats and I keep a good lookout in 'silly season'
I find most people know the rules of the road, and know when to apply them, but a significant number either don't know or choose to ignore them.
I don't know what the answer is, but I have CCTV on all of my boats Incase of recourse.

Do not forget that collisions at sea when both boats are not anchored or prevented from action - both boats are liable as the stand on is also required to take such action as deemed necessary in event give way vessel fails to act sufficiently.
There are no 100 : 0 % decisions in this ..

 

[38mess]

Do not forget that collisions at sea when both boats are not anchored or prevented from action - both boats are liable as the stand on is also required to take such action as deemed necessary in event give way vessel fails to act sufficiently.
There are no 100 : 0 % decisions in this ..

Yes I am fully aware of this, thanks ?

 

[LittleSister]

Do not forget that collisions at sea when both boats are not anchored or prevented from action - both boats are liable . . .

Being anchored doesn't necessarily, er, get you off the hook, either! You are still obliged to keep a good look out at all times, etc. I seem to recall an anchored ship (somewhere in SE Asia?) was found partly at fault when another ship ran into it. I'm not sure, but I've a vague recollection that it was said the anchored ship's watchkeeper should have seen the unfolding situation and sounded a warning.

 

[greeny]

Being anchored doesn't necessarily, er, get you off the hook, either! You are still obliged to keep a good look out at all times, etc. I seem to recall an anchored ship (somewhere in SE Asia?) was found partly at fault when another ship ran into it. I'm not sure, but I've a vague recollection that it was said the anchored ship's watchkeeper should have seen the unfolding situation and sounded a warning.

So what if you're anchored and no one onboard.

 

[Refueler]

So what if you're anchored and no one onboard.

Its highly unlikely a commercial vessel is unmanned at anchor. Ships are not like yachts ..

 

[greeny]

Its highly unlikely a commercial vessel is unmanned at anchor. Ships are not like yachts ..

Are we talking about ships. If so I'm in the wrong forum. Sorry. I'll leave.