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Ok we've had umpteen debates about red diesel. But it then seems as though only a few actually go anywhere, so for most, it's not that big an issue.

Also if few folk go anywhere, it will likewise not have been noticed the hugh increase in costs of overnight mooring, be it a buoy in a river or marina.

Now my mechanic and countless others, have been telling me that I use my boat far more than others. Hard to see how when I live 310 miles away from it.

But it looks like I do.

Whilst there are umpteen posts on here about which auto pilot, chart plotter, laptops, radar, anchors. The need to plot courses from home, then transfer to boat and the need for ten thousand way points. All with associated scart plugs, dgms, fams, umps, and btmsy thingies. All get very sencible answers and a wealth of knowledge. There must be about a hundred or more sujested web sites for weather. Each one giving better weather than the last. Every one goes on courses these days, Day Skipper PB1/2 and /3. Yacht master, nearly every one but me's got one of them.

Now heres my problem. I thrort we were on a sort of equal playing field. Folk buying stuff, cos they were going far more places, or more difficult places than me. I thunk that maybe I needed more stuff. They must be getting to places I've never been.

Kept feeling guilty about my old Rathion chart plotter with green screen.(Horror) It sort of runs out of puff just short of Alderney, or Portland Bill. But never found it a problem to carry on sort of regardless.

Many here have read my old stories of catastrophy at sea. Or maybe exploding bogs.

But forgetting the raggies for a minute. I feel to be the only mobo actually cruising the sea. OK there may be three or four of us deluded souls.

But for us, it's going to stop. There will be no more bombing up to Weymouth for a forum meet. Or a summer cruise, taking in all the CI's Britany then a blag round the solent and back to Plymouth. I laughingly thort every one did that.

No matter what anyone says. I have seen very few power boats in France, or anywhere else but UK. A few small ones maybe. Not talking about the med. Just Northern France.

So in conclusion. Red diesel aint going to make a jot of difference for most. Only the small minority of folks that use them, go places and actually refuel on nearly a daily basis.
 
hm, and why aren't you talking about the med ? There's oodles more powerboats there. And some go quite long distances too, further than x-channel etc.

Likelihood is that uk boaters will soon favour the med - sunnier and no more expensive. Or indeed less expenisive to go "somewhere nice"
 
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hm, and why aren't you talking about the med ? There's oodles more powerboats there. And some go quite long distances too, further than x-channel etc.

Likelihood is that uk boaters will soon favour the med - sunnier and no more expensive. Or indeed less expenisive to go "somewhere nice"

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Cost of getting to the Med often enough to be worthwhile will be the next tax hit? Remember, nobody elects those Commissioners so they don't give a stuff about who they annoy, they assume that no government has the cojones to stand up and say "No/Non/Nein" etc to them.
 
Well thats a load of wrong conclusions based on pretty inaccurate information.

IMHO - if power boats have to pay road duty levels, it would mean in practice paying more than road duty and that would cause great damage to the UK power boating fraternity and would tend to freeze a lot of boat sales in their tracks.

Even well off people look at the marginal cost of a trip and if its silly money as it would be if we were paying £5 per gallon, then they would act by either moving or selling the boat.

Many would not trade up the ladder into a bigger boat. - that would stop the sechand market dead in an already weak market.

I am sure that folks in california could afford to pay a once off 10& luxury car tax of say $6000 on a $60,000- car BUT they decided not to - luxury car sales collapsed and less tax was collected than before. It can be athe straw on the camels back.

A friend approached me last weekend and told me clearly that even at an extra 20p a litre he will probably have to get rid of his boat but at road prices there is no doubt.

I have for the last two year's taken the view that we would lose derogation - that does not surprise me. If it goes to full road rate that will surprise me. I think that there is a chance that nothing will change on the 1st January and the government will act like a rabbit dazzled by the headlights. It would be reasonable to let us all know asap what their intention is but I really doubt if that will happen. What a way to treat and industry!
 
I did not include the Med cos I cant trundle there, can I. Well maybe I can, but not sort of there and back in a couple or three weeks.
Dont fancy Med, looks all posh and a bit naff to me. Urm sort of concrete jungle'ish. Greek Islands used to be good, quite liked those outside toilets. Umm But no doubt changed.

Thinking of turkey.Or Iraq could come good eventually!
 
quite so gludy. Tho the industry not well served for a long time. in the 30's we had the worlds biggest yachts built and racing in the solent. Now, more and more race series are able to ignore solent, even (with Race, Vendee globe) ignore uk waters altogether. New labour scrapping Brittania was a pennypicnhing move in the scheme of things. Now this. Very shabby.
 
I can list all our trips as being variations on "Up the Solent and Back Again".

Having the 2-yr-old turned out to be the major limiting factor. Ironically, we bought the "big" (28ft) boat to go further, but we went much further in the 24fter. But maybe we were stupid then. And had no children. Max distance in one trip in 28fter has been IOW circumnav (75miles in a day). More typically 35-40 miles/day now.

dv.
 
yep. There are loads of flights back to uk from many ports all the way to gib, and further. So h cd easily take boat to Brest frinstance, fly home to sort the donkey, then fly back tofrance for moe trundling.
 
Umm. I'm not jumping to anything. Just reading what government has said so far. It's going to be white. Ok might take a few years to get there.

But as suspected for years and as the poll shows, most folk dont actually go anywhere. If they did, places like Weymouth would have umpteen thousand boats there every week in summer. But only maybe a hundred arrive, the bulk of them turning back. Odd ones carry on to Dartmouth or some place, then go back. Hardly any of them actually have a cruise round the west country before going back.

Gludy, yes its going to be white. Might take five or ten years to happen. If you looked at the graphs, though other euro countries are behind the uk but they are catching up fast.

Going back to the global warming issues on other threads. It might well be happening, or not. AS the case maybe. If so. The only way to stop it is to stop China or India flogging cheap goods to us. Accept that the tV and vidio tape was quite good enough, we do not really need blue tooth, smart sysemes. or DVD's Not that they have not been replaced as soon as you bought one by IPOD.

Easy to stop global warming if indead it is happening. Just dont buy a new car for about ten years, they dont break down and nothing actually happens. You just have not spent thousands on buying another. Cors if you did follow my example the retail trade would Collapse. and the whole uk would be in depresion.

Maybe I could buy a new boat for a tenner and even a marina as well. Umm Any one want to buy a Coliseum!
 
As someone who only gets to Weymouth once in a blue moon how do you know that? Most times I've been there in summer months, it's got loads of boats on visitors pontoons and several deep on harbour walls, not to mention the visitor pontoon in Marina. Club trips we had to book up way in advance.

Even reading the forums here, there are plenty who go beyond Weymouth on a regular basis.
 
Brendan darling. I will admit that among my nautical travelings, I might hit Weymouth once or twice a year. I fully admit I only got there twice last year as was in a bit of a hurry. But thats not the question. Niether is it, which others have been there. Loads have I'm sure. But to get back down to the poll. We're you there last year, boat and all.

I'm just trying to get to grips with who needs loads of tackle and who dont.

Brendon please just answer the question. WE were in Weymouth once last year, by boat. Must admit that tuther time we stopped in Portland. About half a mile away. A bit crap for your statistics. You keep evading the question of when were you last there, on your boat.

No interest in we're others may have been, through reading the forum. I can read it all by myself !

Just trying to get to grips with how many boats actually travel say 500 miles a year. Well we do. But sorry Brendan, might not go to Weymouth every time. Sheesh!

I reacon that we are about 2000 miles a year over seven years on this boat. The last one got really thrashed through the Irish sea Did far more miles in that.
 
Ummmm Hlb
So many assumptions again! /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif

1. The poll does not show anything usefull.

2. I agree it will one day end up white but that is years away - I hope! In the meantime it is very likely to stay red. However the same red knocking around for commercial and non-commercial is impossible to monitor.

3. "Easy to stop global warming if indead it is happening. Just dont buy a new car .."
But whilst the evidence is overwhelming that global warming is happening, IMHO that there is no real evicence it is humans that are causing it! In facts what has caused rapid global warming many hundreds of times before? The answer is natural causes. In any event if any of this was about stopping gloabl warming they would tax the commercial boys who account for over 98% of marine fuel usage.

This is only about a totally absurd thing called harmonisation that does not mean what it says ... it should be called minimisation because it sets out minimum duty levels that allow our government to charge the highest duty in Europe and so ensure that what the user pays is anything but harmonised.

If it was harmonisation then we can simply add just under 20 p per litre and use the claim back for commercial users.
 
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