Kukri
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The crew cabins for the hotel staff are right down below.
Costa Concordia (Titanic 2012)
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NorthRising
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That assumes that the AIS track you are looking at is either from the onboard 'black box', or alternatively that the track is generated by receiving stations with complete geographic coverage our area of interest; there could well be reception drop-outs dependent on the local terrestrial topography etc. Certainly I've seen ship tracks going well inland along the Morayshire coast on some of the web based internet products;; and in this case it is simply gaps in receiving station coverage.
Seajet
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A somewhat convenient gap...
Twister_Ken
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Unlike that between the two rocky islets.
peterb
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I don't know, that's why I asked. Estimating from your pic I reckon that the waterline beam is about 4m less than the maximum hull beam, but if the bridge wings are taken then the difference could be a lot more.
NorthRising
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Until the black box track is released you can call it a 'convenient gap'; it may or may not at that point become an an inconvenient gap - but for whom...
Seajet
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I thought the same thing, trickier disabling the recorder...though I can think of 2 aircraft accidents where the inconvenient data 'disappeared'.
Roberto
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Roberto
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Italian Corriere newspaper reports the Carabinieri divers have found chunks of metal plate underwater, east of the islet
Metabarca
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Latest from La Reppublica: apparently the captain made several calls to the bosses at Costa after the accident, and was on the phone beforehand to a former captain of Costa, before whom it is assumed he wished to show off. Course was set for 278° but a at certain point, the captain went to manual and took the helm himself. With the result we know. After the accident, he was always on the phone and control of the ship and order for evacuation was taken by the first officer and the captain was effectively sidelined. The ship was on an even keel for 40 minutes before the first officer decided to take over.
In Marseille a few months earlier, he had also effected a manoeuvre which was hazardous, but that time got away with it.
In Marseille a few months earlier, he had also effected a manoeuvre which was hazardous, but that time got away with it.
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Metabarca, was the Costa Concordia in Monfalcone a few months ago for refit as I thought I saw her on the way into Hannibal?
alant
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One 'expert' did mention such an uncharted rock - due the seismic activity known in that area.
tony_lavelle
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AIS track: why speculate?
I've never seen/heard such complete ignorant rubbish as I have seen on the news sites including the BBC, even from the Lloyds "expert" this morning.
The AIS track was available on www.marinetraffic.com (I have a screen shot) and various charts have been on the web with speculative tracks. Has anyone been able to plot the track on a detailed chart? The last position (some way offshore from its final resting place at Giglio port) is 42.3717N, 10.92602E. It was then travelling at 1.1kt on a heading of 013T. One could project this back to see where it had been.
Surely that would put an end to the speculation about whether the ship tried to pass between the Le Scole islets as some have suggested.
I've never seen/heard such complete ignorant rubbish as I have seen on the news sites including the BBC, even from the Lloyds "expert" this morning.
The AIS track was available on www.marinetraffic.com (I have a screen shot) and various charts have been on the web with speculative tracks. Has anyone been able to plot the track on a detailed chart? The last position (some way offshore from its final resting place at Giglio port) is 42.3717N, 10.92602E. It was then travelling at 1.1kt on a heading of 013T. One could project this back to see where it had been.
Surely that would put an end to the speculation about whether the ship tried to pass between the Le Scole islets as some have suggested.
Metabarca
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Dunno, these floating blocks of flats all look the same to me... But the local rag made no mention of CC being a 'local' ship.
iain789
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Hilariously bad graphics of the ship at the moment on Sky news, showing the bulbous bow dangling way below the rest of the hull. The accompanying story is about as accurate too.
SailorBill
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This makes interesting reading: Cruise-disaster-captain-neared-rocks-in-Facebook-stunt-for-friends-family
And now we're hearing that the first officer effectively mutinied in order to issue the evacuation and save lives. I think at that point the captain was probably in shock at what had just happened.
And now we're hearing that the first officer effectively mutinied in order to issue the evacuation and save lives. I think at that point the captain was probably in shock at what had just happened.
stillwaters
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Yes thanks,the marine traffic tracking has been done already on this and other forums. However,this doesn't show the actual course a ship steers between fixes so the system just inserts straight lines in between. I'm not sure just how accurate this data is as both charts and equipment can sometimes be inaccurate (I've been overland a few times myself due to electronic chart error) however,following Metabarca's prompt on here earlier,I notice that La Repubblica are giving the time of collision as 21.42,which one assumes is local time,yet the AIS shows the ship a little over 2 miles away from Le Scole,the most likely rock to hit,at 20.37 UTC (or 21.37 local time). And,as the ship was doing just over 15 knots at this point and bearing in mind her top recorded speed ever on marine traffic is given as below 17 knots,just how did the ship get there in 5 minutes?
Sailfree
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Out of curiousity. Does anyone know whether the ship immediately lost power after the impact? iread reports that the 1st officer effectively took over 45min after the impact and am wondering what he hsd to work with or had the Captain already turned the ship and put it aground?
With respect to AIS tracks as these ships take vast distances to stop or turn i doubt whether the straight line between fixes will be that inaccurate. Cruise linners are not ribs!
With respect to AIS tracks as these ships take vast distances to stop or turn i doubt whether the straight line between fixes will be that inaccurate. Cruise linners are not ribs!
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Erik C
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Read this, you'll be amazed.
http://www.corriere.it/Internationa...2/01/17/crew-mutinied-behalf-passengers.shtml
http://www.corriere.it/Internationa...2/01/17/crew-mutinied-behalf-passengers.shtml
