Costa Concordia (Titanic 2012)

[Cruiser2B]

. However,it must have been moving forwards for that gash to occur (the rock also appears to have entered lower below the waterline than where it finished up,so it possibly tugged the ship down a little as it passed?)

If the starboard side hit the upslope first, it would cause both a sideways movement to port along with a roll to port, that would shove the port-side into a rock halfway along with the apparent upward path of the rock.

 

[Kukri]

In an interview on Italian TV,the captain claimed the ship was moving sideways when it hit something. However,it must have been moving forwards for that gash to occur (the rock also appears to have entered lower below the waterline than where it finished up,so it possibly tugged the ship down a little as it passed?) Now someone correct this if it's c**p but,assuming the captain's assertion that the ship was moving sideways is true,even on something that big if it was simultaneously moving forward and sideways,(ie turning) would the sideways movement not generally be rotation and therefore only create a noticeable sensation of sideways movement if there was an obvious nearby point of reference,such as a big lump of rock right next to you rather than open water?

Yes, see post 290 above - advance and transfer. She must have been turning to starboard.

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

In an interview on Italian TV,the captain claimed the ship was moving sideways when it hit something. However,it must have been moving forwards for that gash to occur (the rock also appears to have entered lower below the waterline than where it finished up,so it possibly tugged the ship down a little as it passed?) Now someone correct this if it's c**p but,assuming the captain's assertion that the ship was moving sideways is true,even on something that big if it was simultaneously moving forward and sideways,(ie turning) would the sideways movement not generally be rotation and therefore only create a noticeable sensation of sideways movement if there was an obvious nearby point of reference,such as a big lump of rock right next to you rather than open water?

I think probably what he was alluding to was that the ship was moving sideways as a result of the starboard turn but maybe he was trying to hide the fact that the ship was in a turn. Yes you're quite right. The size of the gash indicates a collision at speed and the position of the gash indicates it happened during a starboard turn which is why I said I think the collision occured during a panic turn to starboard when the bridge realised the ship was in danger.

 

[Danny_Labrador]

Perspective

Interesting image.

Gives some perspective to the sea area, the scale of the channel and the size of the vessel.

 

[MapisM]

Nope: I simply do not believe it went between those two small islands; it was close enough to hit some other rock though.

+1.
It's a fairly safe bet that they passed on the external (eastern) part of the islets, but close enough to hit them with port side of the hull while turning to stbd.
Just look at the chart below, which I posted some pages ago.
They were approaching Giglio island on a 285° route, and to make a flyby close to the harbour/village they had to point somewhere S of the harbour, and then steer to stbd following the coastline.
The "Le Scole" islets are exactly along that path.
But having been there, I can't believe for a second that they went through them - not intentionally, anyway.
Unless EVERYBODY on the bridge was barking mad, which obviously can't be the case.

 

[sailorman]

+1.
It's a fairly safe bet that they passed on the external (eastern) part of the islets, but close enough to hit them with port side of the hull while turning to stbd.
Just look at the chart below, which I posted some pages ago.
They were approaching Giglio island on a 285° route, and to make a flyby close to the harbour/village they had to point somewhere S of the harbour, and then steer to stbd following the coastline.
The "Le Scole" islets are exactly along that path.
But having been there, I can't believe for a second that they went through them - not intentionally, anyway.
Unless EVERYBODY on the bridge was barking mad, which obviously can't be the case.

ships have "Rate of turn" gyros ( if thats the name) as they turn they slip sideways,these tell the bridge whats happening

 

[ProDave]

Something new.

On the BBC News, they have just shown a picture of "the hole" as seen by a diver.

This hole is underwater, and in white painted metalwork.

So it can only be on the starboard side, now underwater.

So how did it get holed on BOTH sides? Has the gash gone right under the boat and out the other side?

 

[tudorsailor]

These little islands do not have lights on. How would anyone would see them at night with the bright lights of the town close behind.

TudorSailor

 

[Seajet]

It would sound like they did try to get between those islets after all...

 

[sailorman]

These little islands do not have lights on. How would anyone would see them at night with the bright lights of the town close behind.

TudorSailor

Radar

 

[neale]

Something new.

On the BBC News, they have just shown a picture of "the hole" as seen by a diver.

This hole is underwater, and in white painted metalwork.

So it can only be on the starboard side, now underwater.

So how did it get holed on BOTH sides? Has the gash gone right under the boat and out the other side?

There were plenty of pics of the underwater damage on the starboard side on a link earlier in this thread. Could have happened as the boat went down or as it was beached in its current position or it could have happened when the boat tried to go through a gap too small. All speculation at the moment.


Edit: Pics Here. Pic 10 is interesting. Damage looks high up and doesn't look like it happened on the grounding or subsequent sinking.

 

[[32511]]

Something new.

On the BBC News, they have just shown a picture of "the hole" as seen by a diver.

This hole is underwater, and in white painted metalwork.

So it can only be on the starboard side, now underwater.

So how did it get holed on BOTH sides? Has the gash gone right under the boat and out the other side?

If it's in white painted metalwork, it's the superstructure above the waterline, and, as the early photographs show, was undamaged until the ship rolled onto its side, on to the rocks. Everything below the waterline is red anti-foul.

 

[SailorBill]

There were plenty of pics of the underwater damage on the starboard side on a link earlier in this thread. Could have happened as the boat went down or as it was beached in its current position or it could have happened when the boat tried to go through a gap too small. All speculation at the moment.


Edit: Pics Here. Pic 10 is interesting. Damage looks high up and doesn't look like it happened on the grounding or subsequent sinking.

That picture is interesting and fits with the French eyewitness passengers saying that the rocks came up to the forth deck.

Surely this cruise ship didn't go through that narrow gap a kilometre to the south of where she is resting?

 

[Erik C]

I know not all of you can read German, but it looks like the captain is in deep trouble.

http://www.stern.de/panorama/unglue...kapitaen-der-alles-falsch-machte-1774432.html

Show boating for the head waiter who lives on the island, apparently the captain called him to the bridge moments before the accident. The waiter then warned him he was to close.

It also seems he spend hours drinking at the bar in the company of a good looking woman.

 

[photodog]

Errrr... just to let you know... Stern is no more reliable than the Daily Mail!

 

[[32511]]

That picture is interesting and fits with the French eyewitness passengers saying that the rocks came up to the forth deck.

Surely this cruise ship didn't go through that narrow gap a kilometre to the south of where she is resting?

Look at the early photos, taken when she had about 20 degrees list and was launching the lifeboats. Any damage?

 

[neale]

Look at the early photos, taken when she had about 20 degrees list and was launching the lifeboats. Any damage?

The ones I have seen were taken in the dark and too far away to be sure.

 

[photodog]

I have just seen the transcripts from the bridge voice recorder...


2144hrs


Voice 1 (First mate)(Original in Italian.).... Looks a bit tight to me...

Voice 2 (Captain).... Are you joking, I got my Sunseeker through there in August... loadsa room for this baby.

Background scraping noise.
Alarms.... (Flooding alarm.)

Voice 2 (Captain).... Ahhhhh... Just a scrape.

Alarms....


Voice 2 (Captain)... Cinzano anyone?

 

[SailorBill]

Look at the early photos, taken when she had about 20 degrees list and was launching the lifeboats. Any damage?

Can anyone point to the early photos of the starboard side before she went over please?

 

[chewi]

There were plenty of pics of the underwater damage on the starboard side on a link earlier in this thread. Could have happened as the boat went down or as it was beached in its current position or it could have happened when the boat tried to go through a gap too small. All speculation at the moment.


Edit: Pics Here. Pic 10 is interesting. Damage looks high up and doesn't look like it happened on the grounding or subsequent sinking.

I believe the pics were all of PORT side damage. There are no pics in this thread of STARBOARD damage that I recall, please say where they are.