Twister_Ken
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Oh well, lets make this thread a centurion - though goodness knows why!
Colregs - Motor Sailing Cone
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Sans Bateau
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Oh well, lets make this thread a centurion - though goodness knows why!
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Cos we havent had a bloody good col regs moan for ages!
Watch out for coming events:
Is the CQR as bad as some suggest?
Bavarias Are better than old Twisters!
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Oh well, lets make this thread a centurion - though goodness knows why!
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Cos we havent had a bloody good col regs moan for ages!
Watch out for coming events:
Is the CQR as bad as some suggest?
Bavarias Are better than old Twisters!
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Twister_Ken
Well-known member
>Bavarias Are better than old Twisters!<
Now you're just being silly.
Now you're just being silly.
ggt9
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One of your rule modification is already true. The one above "No-one else is using one".
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As my previous reply, I know some people treat 'sails up, engine on but engine in neutral' as meaning they are not motoring under sail... but not everyone sees it that way and it's certainly not true in all cases so I thought it was quite reasonable to include it in a jokey list of excuses for not showing the correct day shape when required to do so.
Apparently I have to add "been sailing for 30 years and never seen one" and "I have to have the engine on to sail properly because of my keel design" now as well /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
One of your rule modification is already true. The one above "No-one else is using one".
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As my previous reply, I know some people treat 'sails up, engine on but engine in neutral' as meaning they are not motoring under sail... but not everyone sees it that way and it's certainly not true in all cases so I thought it was quite reasonable to include it in a jokey list of excuses for not showing the correct day shape when required to do so.
Apparently I have to add "been sailing for 30 years and never seen one" and "I have to have the engine on to sail properly because of my keel design" now as well /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
landaftaf
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The issue of lookout was my experience on several occasions. It surprised me at the time, and it seems to me that its an issue yotties arent well aware of. They seem to make the assumption that because they can see a big ship, the latter can see them. Yet on some designs of big ship they cannot see less than half a mile in front because of the bow. Combine that with poor radar refloectivity and bad weather and you have a recipe for disaster a la Ouzo (and many others)
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Rule 3 k
(k) Vessels shall be deemed to be in sight of one another only when one can be observed visually from the other.
discuss ..............
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Rule 3 k
(k) Vessels shall be deemed to be in sight of one another only when one can be observed visually from the other.
discuss ..............
Sans Bateau
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>Bavarias Are better than old Twisters!<
Now you're just being silly.
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Never let the truth get in the way of a good story!
>Bavarias Are better than old Twisters!<
Now you're just being silly.
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Never let the truth get in the way of a good story!
Poignard
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Isn't it time they who write the Colregs admitted defeat and came up with some other indication that a vessel is motor-sailing during the day?
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Was it something I said?
Now I know how Dr Frankenstein felt. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Isn't it time they who write the Colregs admitted defeat and came up with some other indication that a vessel is motor-sailing during the day?
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Was it something I said?
Now I know how Dr Frankenstein felt. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
ggt9
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Oh well, lets make this thread a centurion - though goodness knows why!
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'Cos someone might yet say:
"I put a cone up when motoring under sail because:
a) it is a requirement of the col regs and I like to do things properly on my boat
b) it's a really helpful signal to other boats that I'm under engine and don't need you to give way, pass astern or leave space for me to tack"
but I think that it is beginning to look unlikely /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Oh well, lets make this thread a centurion - though goodness knows why!
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'Cos someone might yet say:
"I put a cone up when motoring under sail because:
a) it is a requirement of the col regs and I like to do things properly on my boat
b) it's a really helpful signal to other boats that I'm under engine and don't need you to give way, pass astern or leave space for me to tack"
but I think that it is beginning to look unlikely /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Twister_Ken
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I think we all agree that motoring cones are A GOOD THING, except when...
Beadle
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Perhaps we should establish a sort of sub committee of forumites to establish:-
a what precisely constitutes a sailing yacht under power.
b a recommendation that will allow motorboats to claim some sort of "right of way" that seems so important to them.
c a means of deploying a cone shape automatically when under power (see item b) with no intervention from the crew of the sailing yacht being required.
Until such time as the sub committee have presented their report ( hopefully not less than 8 - 10 years) this subject should be banned from discussion on all forums. I really am bored by it.
a what precisely constitutes a sailing yacht under power.
b a recommendation that will allow motorboats to claim some sort of "right of way" that seems so important to them.
c a means of deploying a cone shape automatically when under power (see item b) with no intervention from the crew of the sailing yacht being required.
Until such time as the sub committee have presented their report ( hopefully not less than 8 - 10 years) this subject should be banned from discussion on all forums. I really am bored by it.
l'escargot
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...I know some people treat 'sails up, engine on but engine in neutral' as meaning they are not motoring under sail... but not everyone sees it that way and it's certainly not true in all cases....
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Colregs seem to see it that way, in what cases would you not consider it to be true?
...I know some people treat 'sails up, engine on but engine in neutral' as meaning they are not motoring under sail... but not everyone sees it that way and it's certainly not true in all cases....
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Colregs seem to see it that way, in what cases would you not consider it to be true?
Auntie Helen
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Read this thread t'other day and when out yesterday and going nowhere very fast (very light winds) we decided to start the engine and do a bit of motorsailing. Recalling this thread I recommended to HWMBO that we put up the motoring cone to keep everyone else happy, despite the fact it was abundantly clear we were motoring going at 6 knots with just the main up and everyone else with spinnakers barely making 1 knot.
So... he went exploring the locker at the front of the boat and lo and behold found not just one but two motoring cones and hoisted one aloft. Proof, that yachties DO use the motoring cone!
And, as a side note, the navigator also thought it would be a good idea:
So... he went exploring the locker at the front of the boat and lo and behold found not just one but two motoring cones and hoisted one aloft. Proof, that yachties DO use the motoring cone!
And, as a side note, the navigator also thought it would be a good idea:
Sans Bateau
Well-known member
Guide dogs do an excellent job, Cannine Partners dogs do an excellent job. But I cannot remember seeing anything in the col regs where there is an allowance for dogs however smart taking a watch.
skipperob
Member
From Waiting for the Tide, PBO 210, JUNE 1984 [ ! ] :
"- in Belgian waters yachts that are motor-sailing should fly the appropriate signal of a black cone point down in the forepart of the rigging. This very sensible 'rule' which usually goes by default in the UK is now being taken up by the Dutch, especially on their extensive network of inland waterways and meers. Not 'law' just yet but anyone cruising Holland this year [1984 !] would help to create the right impression by conforming."
1984. Sure has taken a while for the centime/guilder/euro/penny to drop !
Mind you, the ColRegs probably date back to Nelson (joke, before someone howls !), I'm not sure where anyone's supposed to hang the thing with a genoa up a foil on a modern yacht ! The ColRegs do say "forward where it can best be seen". On a stick on the pulpit, perhaps ?
"- in Belgian waters yachts that are motor-sailing should fly the appropriate signal of a black cone point down in the forepart of the rigging. This very sensible 'rule' which usually goes by default in the UK is now being taken up by the Dutch, especially on their extensive network of inland waterways and meers. Not 'law' just yet but anyone cruising Holland this year [1984 !] would help to create the right impression by conforming."
1984. Sure has taken a while for the centime/guilder/euro/penny to drop !
Mind you, the ColRegs probably date back to Nelson (joke, before someone howls !), I'm not sure where anyone's supposed to hang the thing with a genoa up a foil on a modern yacht ! The ColRegs do say "forward where it can best be seen". On a stick on the pulpit, perhaps ?
skipperob
Member
By the way, having just bought a lovely MG-C 27 (aka Contessa 27, same boat but later) I'd still like to hear from another owner to swap ideas. Mine has a centreplate and self-tacking staysail.
awol
Well-known member
If the 2 cones are flat plates then they slot together to form a cone visible from all angles, If really 2 cones then hoist them when you are fishing!Read this thread t'other day and when out yesterday and going nowhere very fast (very light winds) we decided to start the engine and do a bit of motorsailing. Recalling this thread I recommended to HWMBO that we put up the motoring cone to keep everyone else happy, despite the fact it was abundantly clear we were motoring going at 6 knots with just the main up and everyone else with spinnakers barely making 1 knot.
So... he went exploring the locker at the front of the boat and lo and behold found not just one but two motoring cones and hoisted one aloft. Proof, that yachties DO use the motoring cone!
And, as a side note, the navigator also thought it would be a good idea:
dom
Well-known member
Yay, another ancient thread is reborn ?
awol
Well-known member
My bad! I didn't notice the dates. I don't understand how some people can find things on this site when my attempts fail nearly every time.
Sgeir
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A lot of water has passed along the hull since my 2007 post on this thread.
We used to do things properly, but I'm afraid that I cannot recall the last time that I displayed either a cone or an anchor ball.
Fessed up.......
We used to do things properly, but I'm afraid that I cannot recall the last time that I displayed either a cone or an anchor ball.
Fessed up.......
Buck Turgidson
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I have used a motorsailing ball a couple of times. Only until I unfurl the headsail and realised I've forgotten to take it down when leaving the anchorage