Colregs - Motor Sailing Cone

[Stemar]

Well, it just goes to show. 13 years, and nothing's changed

Can't remember when I last saw a cone, though.

 

[fisherman]

the only reason I came on here in 04/05 was to raise exactly this issue.......that went down well.

 

[sailor211]

Exit from Portsmouth is a classic example, it is very crowded with commercial traffic and it is easier with the shelter to get the main up inside. I guess the motoring cone should be hoisted as well as its an engine on job until you are at No 4 buoy but I have never seen this happen in reality.

Going through Portsmouth enterance you must have engine on and use small boat channel . So less of a problem and easy to identify those without engines.

 

[sailor211]

Well, it just goes to show. 13 years, and nothing's changed

Can't remember when I last saw a cone, though.

But two or three times a year I give way to a stand on sailing yacht only to find myself well down tide and wind of what should be the give way motor vessel. Some take advantage by breaking the rules.

 

[Rappey]

I don't care if a motoring yacht with full sail is showing a cone or not.
It's not a drama.
Sail in a very busy area and you gain lots of collision avoidance experience.
Sailing the solent is not difficult. Just use common sense.
Nearly all motoring full sail yachts tend to give way anyway.
Sailing or motoring, they still move about the same speed so I can't really see much of an issue.
Sure sometimes it's annoying but is it worth 7 pages debating it ?
Sail somewhere less busy if you can't deal with it ?

 

[HissyFit]

Is there a year end award for reviving the thread that has been dead the longest time? It could get competitive.

 

[fisherman]

My post quickly descended into a fishing signal rant.
My particular case was me hauling gear, approached by a small gaffer with all sail set, just ghosting along. I could have just ignored him and carried on in the best tradition of FVs as usually described on here, but he had very little steerage in such light airs, so I paused with some difficulty, the tide was sweeping my gear across the bottom but if I charged ahead against it I might foul him. I had to proceed on the information I had, no cone present. He gave me a cheery wave as he passed and I saw the exhaust and propwash which explained how he was making any progress at all.
I used to fish on the track between the Lizard and Scilly, and remarked that I rarely saw a yacht NOT under power. It only happens now because there are small efficient diesels available, instead of thirsty and unreliable S/Ts or noisy Listers.

 

[Easticks28]

Both cone and ball would appear to be an anacronism in this day and age.
On the Norfolk Broads at least 80% (and that's being very generous) will have absolutely no idea what they are or what they mean.

 

[GHA]

Both cone and ball would appear to be an anacronism in this day and age.

Anchor balls are still fairly common with cruisers.

 

[skipperob]

Easticks28 said (and he/she should know) "80% have abs no idea etc.".
I'm about to bring and keep a sailing yacht on the Broads, and from what I've read and been told, the drivers of 90% of the vessels on the Broads (being those who've rented holiday motor cruisers) have absolutely no idea about anything to do with boating in any form, and seem not to let it worry them ! When I asked one of them to stop his boat as he was heading for a collision with us and we were very obviously sailing hard, my skipper said "Rob, he doesn't know how" !
So there are those of us who sail for pleasure and take a degree of pride in doing things properly,
and then there are the majority . . .

 

[skipperob]

I agree again with Easticks28 , if it's not obvious to someone that a stationary sailing boat with no sails up and a chain leading from it into the water is anchored ; is it likely that that someone would have any clue about the ball hanging from the forestay ? I think not. However, riding lights at night are a very good idea, for both the possible bumpers and bumpees !

 

[Easticks28]

Easticks28 said (and he/she should know) "80% have abs no idea etc.".
I'm about to bring and keep a sailing yacht on the Broads, and from what I've read and been told, the drivers of 90% of the vessels on the Broads (being those who've rented holiday motor cruisers) have absolutely no idea about anything to do with boating in any form, and seem not to let it worry them ! When I asked one of them to stop his boat as he was heading for a collision with us and we were very obviously sailing hard, my skipper said "Rob, he doesn't know how" !
So there are those of us who sail for pleasure and take a degree of pride in doing things properly,
and then there are the majority . . .

Sums things up nicely ! Where do you plan to keep your yacht?

 

[LittleSister]

I can't really see much of an issue.
Sure sometimes it's annoying but is it worth 7 pages debating it ?
Sail somewhere less busy if you can't deal with it ?

Go on a forum less busy if you can't deal with it?

 

[Mark-1]

My bad! I didn't notice the dates. I don't understand how some people can find things on this site when my attempts fail nearly every time.

Personally I'm all for adding to other threads on the same topic rather that creating duplicates. (Obvs common sense needs to be applied.)

 

[Boathook]

Anchor balls are still fairly common with cruisers.

I reckon that more boats are using anchor balls and lights than ever before. Boats with anchor lights make life so much easier entering an anchorage in the dark and now that they are LED you don't have to worry about the batteries so much.

 

[Stemar]

Somewhere like Newtown Creek or East Head, and anchor ball is pretty irrelevant - if you aren't moving, you're almost certainly anchored (In Newtown Creek, you may well be anchored even if you're moving ), but not to carry a light is just plain daft. In the absence of any moon a boat is practically invisible without.

 

[skipperob]

Easticks28 asked Skipperrob "Where do you plan to keep your yacht? "
At Brundall. She's 27ft OA (including the rudder !) but has a mast which is about 38ft long/tall. So the Yare makes a bridge-free starting point until I've installed my system for lowering it single-handed without leaving 20ft hanging off the stern !
Thanks for your kind interest.

 

[dom]

Somewhere like Newtown Creek or East Head, and anchor ball is pretty irrelevant -

Be a bit careful with this - I know someone who was hit at anchor in Chichester and deemed responsible by his ins Co.

Chichester Harbour Conservancy LNTM No 2 2020 specifically requires a ball to be displayed at anchor, Section 14, of this link:

https://www.conservancy.co.uk/page/no02-2020

 

[fisherman]

Easticks28 asked Skipperrob "Where do you plan to keep your yacht? "
At Brundall. She's 27ft OA (including the rudder !) but has a mast which is about 38ft long/tall. So the Yare makes a bridge-free starting point until I've installed my system for lowering it single-handed without leaving 20ft hanging off the stern !
Thanks for your kind interest.

This interests me: if you had a bowsprit, could you use it as a jeer, with a hinged mounting on deck, to provide leverage for lowering and hoisting a mast? The bowsprit would be hoisted upright as the mast is lowered, with a suitable tackle from mast to sprit and sprit to bow/forefoot.

 

[TernVI]

Be a bit careful with this - I know someone who was hit at anchor in Chichester and deemed responsible by his ins Co.

Chichester Harbour Conservancy LNTM No 2 2020 specifically requires a ball to be displayed at anchor, Section 14, of this link:

https://www.conservancy.co.uk/page/no02-2020

Exactly.
If your in a small boat somewhere like East Head, it can be quite difficult to tell a boat motoring in 2 knots of tide looking for somewhere to anchor, from one already anchored.