Marmalade
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so much for turning the other cheek, or even "forgive us our trespasses, as we fogive those who trespass against us"...
Boats moving about
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jimi
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I’m watching this thread with a sort of bewildered fascination, some posters I’d normally respect seem to have bees in their bonnets which are provoking a load of crap spoutage! couple of questions to ponder ... 1)how many pedestrians are injured by cyclists? 2) what ages are the cyclists? 3) how many cyclists are killed or injured by vehicles?4) what ages are the cyclists? A good source is the rospa for those wishing to do some factual research rather than merely feed their prejudice.
xyachtdave
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Any boats moving about
No, lots of bicycles!
jimi
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No pedestrians, they are all dead, killed by 3 year olds running riot on the pavements on their tricycles
Old Harry
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Back to the Op ????
AntarcticPilot
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That doesn't take away guilt. Forgiveness does not mean that there should be no consequences.
Aquaboy
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Bloody hell, it seems so dangerous on land ........ I might take up sailing
Marmalade
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Clearly the law needs to provide for cyclists somehow - personally as someone who drives, rides amd walks - I prefer the continental way of working - where cyclists share with pedestrians rather than with cars. To put cycle lanes on wide pavements (and to make the pavements wide enough to accomodate them) seems a really good solution. We cycle all the time from the boat when sailing to the continent - but my wife rarely cycles in the UK because she has to cycle unprotected on roads.
The key ingredient is consideration - you tend to find fewer cyclists in Belgium or Holland knocking pedestrians over because the culture is one where they are used to sharing the same space.
The key ingredient is consideration - you tend to find fewer cyclists in Belgium or Holland knocking pedestrians over because the culture is one where they are used to sharing the same space.
Marmalade
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Ah - I've misunderstood. I thought that's exactly what it meant - or are you equating forgiveness to : "I accept your apology".
PilotWolf
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The problem with cyclists and ‘general’ opinions of them is due to the few highly visible ones.
The Lycra brigade taking over the roads, ignoring traffic laws and bullying other road and pavement users is what people see.
They don’t see the family, old Mrs Smith, the kids riding carefully and properly.
Its like the review sites - they don’t give an accurate portrayal as people tend to complain more than complement.
W.
The Lycra brigade taking over the roads, ignoring traffic laws and bullying other road and pavement users is what people see.
They don’t see the family, old Mrs Smith, the kids riding carefully and properly.
Its like the review sites - they don’t give an accurate portrayal as people tend to complain more than complement.
W.
AntarcticPilot
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We're way off-topic, but I think you've put your finger on it. In the UK, bicycles count as vehicles and are grouped with cars and motorcycles. On the continent, I understand that they are grouped with pedestrians. It's a very different approach. Ours takes into account that an inconsiderate cyclist can injure or kill a pedestrian; the continental approach that cyclists move slower than cars and that inconsiderate motorists can kill or injure cyclists! The problem is that bicycles are not a good mix with either pedestrians or motor vehicles; they are (or can be) too fast for one group and too slow for the other. I don't have a problem with a young child using a bike on the pavement (ideally under parental supervision), but I object strongly to a grown cyclist trying to ride at 20 mph on the same pavement. If cyclists using the pavement would accept that pedestrians have right of way and accommodate themselves to that, I probably wouldn't have a problem - that seems to work on the continent, from what I've seen. In Holland, cyclists on shared pathways seem to travel not much faster than pedestrians.
xyachtdave
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Anyone seen any boats moving about today...?
johnalison
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I don't know where in Holland you have been but walking on pavements there can be a nightmare for tourists like us, unused to the need to look out at all times. Dutch cyclists mostly cycle at a medium speed on their sit-up-and-beg bikes, but they adopt a proprietorial attitude to their tracks and woe betide anyone who strays there. If you wander into their path you will get the full force of their cycle bells. I have cycled in Amsterdam and other places, and I regret to say that one soon gets into the Dutch way of doing things. It is not always easy to see what is cycle track. Often it is just a different pattern of laid bricks, not always idea for folding bikes. The system works mostly, presumably in a Darwinian fashion.
AntarcticPilot
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My experience was in Delft, a much smaller place. But I don't recall there being that many bikes in Amsterdam; too many cars and tourists!
jimi
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I agree with John, I’ve spent a reasonable amount of time in The Hague and Dutch cyclists take no prisoners.
Biggles Wader
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Pedalos ignoring colregs perhaps?
diverd
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i would very much like to be out on my boat, and though i believe it would be safe enough we are looking inward. Go on a golfing forum and they think its ok to golf, fishing forum and its ok to fish, shooting, climbing, motoring, and so on, all arguing that their pass time is perfectly safe and should be allowed. If everyone did all these things everyone would be out as usual. They would need more fuel for cars to get there, need sandwiches for their day out, and then, given a week or two would need parts and accessories, as thimngs break, wear, are lost or need improved. They would need to shop, and drive and so would have car accidents, punctures, need the AA, need repairs, perhaps need an ambulance , police, fire and so on if they have an RTC. I understand some lucky people can walk to their boat, and would be perfectly safe. The thing is if all are locked down, staying home then the time needed for this to be over is minimised, and that is what is most important. If one person is boating, then others will no doubt see them and feel if its ok for them, its then ok for me to sail/fish/golf/shoot/climb and so on. Its really important, for the next 3 weeks or so, that we spend as much time as possible in our own homes, and minimise all contact. I would hope that way, in about 3 weeks that some form of unlock could be planned and we could start boating again. I totally get that the shops are so much more dangerous than being on the boat, but the infrastructute to deliver all supplies to homes is simply not there so we NEED to shop, and we dont NEED to boat. To be honest i have no idea how a release will look, as if everything we read is to be believed a massive spike of c19 cases is to be expected a month or so after unlock, leading to a 2nd lockdown, i really dont know?
Hadenough
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Loads. There is a Dutch Yacht, Camelot, really struggling against contrary winds. Currently in the Thames estuary but apparently home bound from the Azores. Can’t make my mind up whether they are struggling under sail or just trying to eke out time at sea, suspect the former. Anyway good luck to them ?. Whole fleet of Square riggers passing through the Channel from the Azores too, mainly bound for the Netherlands and Scandinavia. Lots of movement of super yachts at the moment too, gotta get the mega rich to their hols what?
jimi
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I’m a member of a climbing forum and the vast majority accept the need not to climb. Mainly due to the risk of transmission via contaminated holds.
diverd
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Good, clearly not are all of the same opinion!
