jrudge
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I think you engine battery set up is non standard.
On the stock s65 there are a pair of batteries for each engine.
On the stock s65 there are a pair of batteries for each engine.
I think you engine battery set up is non standard.
On the stock s65 there are a pair of batteries for each engine.
Really? Okay that's good to know, thanks...
Hi Jeremy
I really just want my 8 x 200ah gel battery bank to provide daytime 'background' 240v power for low consumption applications as worked very successfully on my last boat. I just don't understand why all 8 of them have died so quickly!!
The standard set up is 8 batteries at the bottom of the lazarette.
2 port, 2 stbd and 4 house.
Bugger to get to if you have lots of crap in the Lazarette!
Where are your batteries? I assume you have 4 additional ones placed somewhere ?
This thread is drifting and I have contributed to that, but I suppose the issue is why your installation is failing.
The answers are along the lines of ....
a. it just will because of an inverter ( maybe, but if this is the case then the real issue coming out of this thread seems to be battery charging and % drain more than anything else - but still huge loads will probably take their toll)
b. faulty kit. This is possible but the odds of 8 batteries going is relatively low. But that said I had 4 go!
c. The installation . design. This could cover a multitude of sins from how much charging capacity was installed, how the batteries are physically wired ( i did not think it mattered but the Anna Geek battery threat put us all right on that - and with a huge bank and big current draw this will i assume be more critical), where they were cited ( JFM has air conditioned batteries ( did we really expect anything less!) so if yours are spread all over the place ( wiring issue) and get hot ( location issue) that could be a cause also. Did Fairline hoof it of did they get Victron to design the system ?
Given the time you spend on Anchor I can see on reflection that a small geni might do something - but it probably has more to do with redundancy than anything else ( we had 5 days of gen issues in the summer and could not really move far until it was fixed ... no cooking, no AC, no water maker, no battery charging etc. ....)
Post some pics and lets take a look at how it is all put together.
Yep John
Those were my calcs as well.
I've not given up on this idea yet but the Raspberry Pi idea doesn't work when there are so many really good controllers out there.
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Okay here are a few pics of the installation. The white box in the first pic is the custom built box on the top of which are four of the domestic bank - the second pic shows the other four domestic batteries. Together these make up the eight domestic batteries. The engine start batteries are between the engines under the floor plate - there's still some debate as to whether only one engine has a dedicated starter battery or both of them do - BUK are investigating!
Not sure whether the pics help to explain much but one thing that seems likely is that there'll be multiple cable lengths etc to the chargers are heavy duty breaker panel and certainly one of the banks is in the ER so temperature might be an issue.
BUK's current thinking is that the white box is replaced with a small 5kw Onan genny - so we'd have that and the bank of four domestic batts in the port stern quarter only - and they'd change these from gel to AGM/lead acid. The batts weigh c60kgs each so removing four and replacing them with a 170kg genny isn't really an issue. Apparently the starters shouldn't be gel anyway (due to the big hit when you crank the engine which is better suited to lead acid?) so the whole battery set up would be lead acid and therefore the chargers can be set accordingly (on the basis that you can't charge a mixed gel / lead acid bank with one charger).
Not sure whether that helps or hinders but for the record I'm enormously gratefully for all the detailed and carefully considered posts submitted thus far!
Have you thought about solar panels?
Thats my favored route - can't see the point of another (smaller) genset.
5 bat banks ---hmmm ---there in lies I think your probI agree with you.
All this doesn't "stack up"
Our boat is virtually the same size with similar requirements and similar equipment drain.
All our batteries are in battery boxes in the engine room.
Total of 10 batteries.
4 batteries connected as 2 banks of 2 - independently start both engines.
The other 6 are house batteries and are connected as 3 banks of 2 giving (in theory) 187.5ah (50% of 3 banks at 125ah)
As I have said before, it is very easy to run the service batteries down and damage them - I've done it several times.
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5 bat banks ---hmmm ---there in lies I think your prob
All same charger (s) diff wire Lenghs for same batts ? Hmm
So how many outlets does your charger or chargers have .
How old is /are the chargers (s) --- I mean how smart are they ? Would imagine keeping 5 banks happy is gonna take an intelligent amount of "singing and dancing "
charger (s) need to be able to look after each bank indipendantly .
I think ,iam no expert but ---
Sulphating "-knackering " them occurs at both ends -undercharging them and possibly leaving them semi depleted ,but seemingly functional ? too long and overcharging them .
Interested to know how those 5 banks are managed .
Which bank (s) are thinking topping up with solar ?
Custom built (and most importantly, designed) by whom, Fairline?The white box in the first pic is the custom built box on the top of which are four of the domestic bank
No, you have read it wrong - there are only 2 sets of batteries
The house set and the engine set
The engine set is 4 off 12v batteries (2 banks of 2 to give 24v)
The house set is 6 off batteries (3 banks of 2 to give 24v)
Each set is fed from each end - positive on one end negative on the other (pretty standard stuff)
Each set has its own battery charger - the engine set is a small Mastervolt trickle charger - the house set is a Mastervolt 24/100.
As I say, I know what my problem is - I'm not putting back what I take out - really simple maths.
I'm not sure where Fairline normally fit the four domestic batteries - from memory I think possibly in the lazarette. On my boat they reconfigured the battery locations as follows - four domestics in the custom box, four domestics in the port stern quarter and batteries for starting the engines under the tread plates in the er, between the engines (whether or not just for one engine tbc!).Custom built (and most importantly, designed) by whom, Fairline?
Sorry, but I can't think of any polite way to say that it strikes me as a rubbish design/placement... :ambivalence:
Where exactly are placed the (standard, I suppose?) four domestic batteries?
I can't figure it out from your second pic...