2013 Bavaria 35 Sport HT

[Whitelighter]

There is another option which may suit both parties:

Could you approach Bavaria and see if they would give you a buy back price against another new boat? That way you dont have the worry of your 'broken' boat, Bavaria can repair the old one at their leisure and sell a new hull

 

[KINGFISHER 8]

Forums eh? ..... trouble is, after reading this lot I'd really think twice about considering buying a new Bavaria. Probably unfair but you'd have all sorts of possible horror stories in the back of your mind ... there must be some truth in it sort of stuff. A keel recently fell of a large Oyster and they're supposed to be the best money can buy ..... no idea why and there might have been a good reason but if I was in the market for a large expensive sailing boat I'd probably now look elsewhere. Throw it at the wall and some of it sticks ... as I said, probably unfair.
Way of the World I'm afraid.

 

[BruceK]

Not really. The internet is a great place to find negative reviews but very few positive ones. All it should do is give you pointers on what to look out for.

 

[P4Paul]

Forums eh? ..... trouble is, after reading this lot I'd really think twice about considering buying a new Bavaria. Probably unfair but you'd have all sorts of possible horror stories in the back of your mind ... there must be some truth in it sort of stuff. A keel recently fell of a large Oyster and they're supposed to be the best money can buy ..... no idea why and there might have been a good reason but if I was in the market for a large expensive sailing boat I'd probably now look elsewhere. Throw it at the wall and some of it sticks ... as I said, probably unfair.
Way of the World I'm afraid.

So what boat manufacturer would you recommend?

 

[KINGFISHER 8]

So what boat manufacturer would you recommend?

In the nature of forums, someone would be along to slag off whatever I recommended. I was just commenting that I'd have those pictures from this topic in the back of my mind. Same with the Oyster pics ... that looked like a horror story ... bound to make you think surely? I've always rather admired Bavaria motor boats and I suspect this guy's problems probably stem from his boat being dropped at some point ... there are a couple in my part of the marina and they certainly look like a lot of boat for the money. I'd rather have something like that which does an adequate job than a Princess/Fairline/Sunseeker or something Scandinavian at twice the price which does the same job. I chose a Beneteau for the same reason ... good value for money because they're mass produced ... I can't get precious about boats the way some do. If you've got a Bavaria and there are no problems with it that's great. What's this guy's trouble down to?

 

[KINGFISHER 8]

Not really. The internet is a great place to find negative reviews but very few positive ones. All it should do is give you pointers on what to look out for.

You're right .... those photographs certainly give you pointers! I suspect there's a reason for his problems not related to build quality ... still make you wonder though.

 

[BruceK]

You're right .... those photographs certainly give you pointers! I suspect there's a reason for his problems not related to build quality ... still make you wonder though.

I bought American with KAD42 A's instead of Fairline because I got more bang for my limited buck. By rights I should be adrift and sinking if everything I read was true. But we wobble on. However if you read anything negative about Coastal Rides, take it as gospel

I'm ignorantly convinced this was a in transport incident. 10 hours and that? My first 10 hours was sneaking out to look at the bay and if it rippled heading back. It took a convoy down to a beer and natter that convinced me my boat wouldn't sink at the first F6 (where as the cuddy probably would have)

 

[KINGFISHER 8]

I'm with you on that one ... looked to me that he'd either whacked it up a sandbank at 20 knots or it had slipped in the slings and banged on the ground ... or something. A 10 hour boat couldn't have turned itself into what's in those pics.

 

[diligaf]

I'd love to know what caused the defects but unfortunately the OP doesn't seem to want to tell us or doesn't know what the real reason is.

There are loads of stories out there about bad boats -Sealine, Beneteau (Cheeky Rafiki was a REAL nightmare!), Azimut to name but a few, now Bavaria and Oyster it would seem.

I think when I come to change my boat I'll stay under my duvet in case I get run over by a bus on the way to the dealer.......

I feel for DOAN but what he is doing is, IMHO, completely the wrong way to approach this. I'd let Bavaria fix it, and sell it whilst in warranty. I would be going on an open forum and slagging them off for offering to do what they are duty bound to do - if of course they are warranty problems. I assume the factory is closed for Christmas and New Year as are most manufacturers so I'd at least wait to bottom it out with them before openly slating them and pissing them off!

Perhaps one day we'll know the real story.......

 

[KINGFISHER 8]

Yes I can't see anyone from Bavaria jumping for joy in the unlikely event that they read this forum ... I think the guy is making a big mistake ... and the more I read his posts the more I figured that just maybe it's him that's responsible and not Bavaria. He's going about things in entirely the wrong way and if I was Bavaria I'd tell him to take them to court ... he'd have a job on his hands then!

 

[diligaf]

The more I think about it the more I tend to agree that there is no way a new boat with 10 hours on it could be like that without some kind of outside interference. The factory wouldn't let it leave like that, the dealer would hand it over like that and if he DID the DOAN couldn't have had his eyes open when he took delivery.

There is more than meets the eye with this one.

I'd revoke my offer to repair and insist it was re-surveyed by a totally impartial (fully qualified) surveyor and the findings given to a court to decide what to do. I think DOAN could find himself on a sticky wicket here

 

[petem]

Forums eh? ..... trouble is, after reading this lot I'd really think twice about considering buying a new Bavaria. Probably unfair but you'd have all sorts of possible horror stories in the back of your mind ... there must be some truth in it sort of stuff. A keel recently fell of a large Oyster and they're supposed to be the best money can buy ..... no idea why and there might have been a good reason but if I was in the market for a large expensive sailing boat I'd probably now look elsewhere. Throw it at the wall and some of it sticks ... as I said, probably unfair.
Way of the World I'm afraid.

On the basis that DOAN seems to be avoiding the question of what happened to cause the cracks, I can only assume something pretty severe occurred. Considering that we've heard of no cracking issues on other Bavaria boats and also that Bavaria have agreed to fix the problems this thread might actually be an encouragement for me to buy one of their boats.

I ask DOAN again, what caused the cracks?

 

[Whitelighter]

Which was my point back when all we had was a short narrative with little detail.

Yet apparently I was a c*** for not immediately throwing my weight unconditionally behind the OP.

 

[BruceK]

Which was my point back when all we had was a short narrative with little detail.

Yet apparently I was a c*** for not immediately throwing my weight unconditionally behind the OP.

No, not because of that. You threw a wobbly and then you all but accused me of being a schizo nut job and spanking me in public. Anyway, if it still smarts, brilliant :encouragement: but I've moved on so should you.

 

[Whitelighter]

It didn't smart at all.

And I didn't accuse you of anything, i made it quite clear in that post.

 

[BruceK]

Aye, both you and Roy have the art of small talk. You should try and come up for the Beer and Natter. Have a few drinks and a laugh. If you've never boated out of North Wales, it is well worth the experience.

 

[Seastoke]

Aye, both you and Roy have the art of small talk. You should try and come up for the Beer and Natter. Have a few drinks and a laugh. If you've never boated out of North Wales, it is well worth the experience.

AY

 

[KevB]

External interference to the cause excluded, I would never accept repair of that boat. Boating is living the dream, going out on that every week would be a a worry, not about it sinking but dreading finding a new crack. If this is purely down to manufacturing fault I'd want out even if there was a cost to me. It wouldn't be worth the weekly inspections hoping not to find a crack, worrying about every heavy wave... No thanks

 

[Flynnbarr]

Which was my point back when all we had was a short narrative with little detail.

Yet apparently I was a c*** for not immediately throwing my weight unconditionally behind the OP.

Nope it was because you had a bit of a rant and pulled the chap on his English,which is not his 1st language,even you admitted it was a cheap shot.I put down to too much Xmas spirit
No doubt the YBW Csi will get to the bottom of this sorry episode and it will be without being rude.
Tranona did say he'd had a read of the stuff posted and the chap had a legitimate claim??

 

[Whitelighter]

Sadly I think Tranona is wrong in this instance above a repair under warranty as discussed by myself, jrudge and other posters.

Unfortunately he doesn't have a contract with Bavaria, but with the dealer which us an independent company who now may or may not be out if business