Suffolk in Tier 4 From 26th December

[LittleSister]

Even with limited staff it would seem to have made more sense to concentrate the Covid patients in one area so reduce the risk to the remainder of people in the hospital

If only someone in the NHS had thought of that.

 

[jordanbasset]

There's a fair bit of spare capacity at the moment, as many hospitals have virtually shut down their normal workload.

and that is why we need to have restrictions, having to cancel operations etc is not a good thing, if it gets any worse some very hard decisions will have to be made

 

[pvb]

and that is why we need to have restrictions, having to cancel operations etc is not a good thing, if it gets any worse some very hard decisions will have to be made

Hard decisions were made back in March. My friend who had his cancer treatment discontinued wasn't happy about it. Nor is his widow.

 

[jordanbasset]

Hard decisions were made back in March. My friend who had his cancer treatment discontinued wasn't happy about it. Nor is his widow.

Terrible, I take it you are agreeing with me, we need to stop this getting worse by behaving responsibly, follow the rules and try to control the virus, rather than look for loop holes to get around the rules

 

[pvb]

Terrible, I take it you are agreeing with me, we need to stop this getting worse by behaving responsibly, follow the rules and try to control the virus, rather than look for loop holes to get around the rules

No, we need to lobby to reform the NHS. For decades, the NHS has been considered to be beyond criticism. Yet it is hugely dysfunctional, badly run and wasteful. Simply chucking money at it won't ever work; the organisation has an infinite appetite for money. It needs a complete overhaul. Even now, as the Nightingale hospitals are being dismantled due to lack of staff, there are countless thousands of retired doctors and nurses who have volunteered to help out, usually without pay. Yet their offers to help have been largely ignored in a swathe of NHS red tape.

 

[jordanbasset]

No, we need to lobby to reform the NHS. For decades, the NHS has been considered to be beyond criticism. Yet it is hugely dysfunctional, badly run and wasteful. Simply chucking money at it won't ever work; the organisation has an infinite appetite for money. It needs a complete overhaul. Even now, as the Nightingale hospitals are being dismantled due to lack of staff, there are countless thousands of retired doctors and nurses who have volunteered to help out, usually without pay. Yet their offers to help have been largely ignored in a swathe of NHS red tape.

Disagree, we spend less per head on the NHS than most developed nations, so whatever reforms are made more money would need to be spent. Not only that health services across the world have struggled dealing with this virus, not just the NHS.
But even if you were right then any reforms would take months if not years to bring to fruition, meanwhile the issue is there is a very contagious virus that is killing people and we need to do our part in helping to slow it down

 

[seivadnehpets]

Terrible, I take it you are agreeing with me, we need to stop this getting worse by behaving responsibly, follow the rules and try to control the virus, rather than look for loop holes to get around the rules

If only by jumping off a cliff I could make it possible for operations not to be cancelled, but it would make no difference.

 

[LittleSister]

Never mind Tier 4, we may be in Tier 5 very soon.

 

[seivadnehpets]

And I won't know anything about it if I've gonna off that cliff.

 

[Stork_III]

England as at 22 Dec
Occupied Beds non-Covid - 61,291
Occupied Beds Covid - 18,063 inc 1339 Mech Vent.
Unoccupied Beds - 8624

 

[Cobra]

No, we need to lobby to reform the NHS. For decades, the NHS has been considered to be beyond criticism. Yet it is hugely dysfunctional, badly run and wasteful. Simply chucking money at it won't ever work; the organisation has an infinite appetite for money. It needs a complete overhaul. Even now, as the Nightingale hospitals are being dismantled due to lack of staff, there are countless thousands of retired doctors and nurses who have volunteered to help out, usually without pay. Yet their offers to help have been largely ignored in a swathe of NHS red tape.

Can only agree with you here.
One of my clients holds a very senior paper pushing role in an NHS Trust in the East of England. She was made redundant from her six figure salaried 36 hours a week position as the role was no longer required back in May and given a golden farewell equivalent to a years salary for her work over the years. The next day she commenced two new jobs working for the same trust fulfilling EXACTLY the same roles as she had been fulfilling in her previous role...the only difference? She is now a further £30k per annum better off and only works 34 hours a week.
I have another client who is a Consultant in the A&E department of one of this trusts hospitals and is employed by the same trust. She works stupid hours and with a decent year will just clear 2/3rds of the paper pushers income!
I am a great believer in the NHS, BUT it is the pure unadulterated waste of money on highly paid management I cannot get my head around.

 

[pvb]

England as at 22 Dec
Occupied Beds non-Covid - 61,291
Occupied Beds Covid - 18,063 inc 1339 Mech Vent.
Unoccupied Beds - 8624

What's happened to the other 47,000 beds?

 

[Tomahawk]

Never mind Tier 4, we may be in Tier 5 very soon.

I predicted that on another thread..

 

[Tomahawk]

Well, the doctors, nurses, managers and others in the NHS think there's a crisis and that they're struggling, as do the national epidemiologists and scientific advisers. But maybe you know better.

Doctors raise alarm over 'dire' situation in NHS as Covid cases rise

The landladies and landlords of all the local pubs and restaurants are also struggling to survive along with thousands of shop workers and small businesses .. But unlike NHS workers, they don't have gold palted bullet proof job security and pensions.

 

[SaltIre]

The landladies and landlords of all the local pubs and restaurants are also struggling to survive along with thousands of shop workers and small businesses .. But unlike NHS workers, they don't have gold palted bullet proof job security and pensions.

Could any of them serve dinners in a hospital to free up trained nurses to do nursing?

 

[Daydream believer]

If only by jumping off a cliff I could make it possible for operations not to be cancelled, but it would make no difference.

Well it would not work if you only broke a few bones. But if you find a nice high steep cliff & give that a go ...............

 

[Daydream believer]

I predicted that on another thread..

& look what that did-- You nearly polished off one of our snow flakes & messed up the covid data

 

[Leighb]

Could any of them serve dinners in a hospital to free up trained nurses to do nursing?

That would suppose that trained nurses spend any time serving meals!!

 

[SaltIre]

That would suppose that trained nurses spend any time serving meals!!

...and as anybody with any knowledge knows that they do.

 

[pvb]

...and as anybody with any knowledge knows that they do.

I have knowledge, and they generally don't. Meals are usually served by HCAs (Health Care Assistants) who are largely untrained, apart from basic care skills. They're certainly a few rungs below nurses.