Seven Spades
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How do you know he only has comp crew? We don't know enough facts yet to condem the skipper, it does not look good I admit. How long was he below, was there a mechanical problem, and why was he so close to shore?
Yacht breaks up off Anvil Point
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BlueSkyNick
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Big brown thingy hit them they claim
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To which he responded " Did the earth move for you, too?" /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Big brown thingy hit them they claim
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To which he responded " Did the earth move for you, too?" /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
poter
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hmmm, maybe we will end up with a licence against, size/weight of boat, or in the case of motor boats - speed & displacement? however they try I am sure that it would be almost impossible to police.
I can't believe he was only on a comp. crew course, are we sure thats the correct information?
I would luv to know what chartplotter they were using?
(speculation) ....waypoints put in incorrectly?
female crew just followed course thru South of England?/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
poter
I can't believe he was only on a comp. crew course, are we sure thats the correct information?
I would luv to know what chartplotter they were using?
(speculation) ....waypoints put in incorrectly?
female crew just followed course thru South of England?/forums/images/graemlins/crazy.gif
poter
jonathankent
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Comp crew has already been stated further up the thread.... but have to admit I haven't checked the realiability of it, just assuming that the poster was correct in what they read...
Koeketiene
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Comp crew has already been stated further up the thread.... but have to admit I haven't checked the realiability of it, just assuming that the poster was correct in what they read...
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I pretty much am/was
Comp crew has already been stated further up the thread.... but have to admit I haven't checked the realiability of it, just assuming that the poster was correct in what they read...
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I pretty much am/was
l'escargot
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Qualifications aren't necessarily relevant.
If I pranged a boat, they could report that "the skipper hadn't had any formal boat training since he left the Sea Scouts nearly 40 years ago". /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
If I pranged a boat, they could report that "the skipper hadn't had any formal boat training since he left the Sea Scouts nearly 40 years ago". /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
SeaBadger
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i watched this bankholiday, as a guy purchased say 22 foot of powerboat. Nice looking boat, plenty of power. Ideal.
i then watched, somewhat in disbelief as he took to the water, for what appears to the first time, with wife, a bunch of mates and 2/3 children well under the age of 10.
Not wishing to judge his experiance, compentancy ( this is testing my spelling) we watched him fumble to start her etc thhe somehow made it off for the day.
I then watched (too much spare time) as he returned, laughing and joking, maybe 15knts into the marina, hard up on to the mud, full revs back off, t-bone the pontoon etc etc, finally making it to the pontoon with the help of the passers - bye. clearly no idea, of anything
Im far from a boating snob, but how can this be allowed. the guy was a moron, packed to the gunwals with his equally inexeperianced crew for his first trip ever!?
Surely not.
i then watched, somewhat in disbelief as he took to the water, for what appears to the first time, with wife, a bunch of mates and 2/3 children well under the age of 10.
Not wishing to judge his experiance, compentancy ( this is testing my spelling) we watched him fumble to start her etc thhe somehow made it off for the day.
I then watched (too much spare time) as he returned, laughing and joking, maybe 15knts into the marina, hard up on to the mud, full revs back off, t-bone the pontoon etc etc, finally making it to the pontoon with the help of the passers - bye. clearly no idea, of anything
Im far from a boating snob, but how can this be allowed. the guy was a moron, packed to the gunwals with his equally inexeperianced crew for his first trip ever!?
Surely not.
fireball
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Skipper licence
But - like with the "Driving Test" ... it isn't a basis for knowing everything about driving, it is assertaining you are at a suitable level to be let out on the road to learn more.
At what level do you think a boat driving licence would be aimed - DS?
But - like with the "Driving Test" ... it isn't a basis for knowing everything about driving, it is assertaining you are at a suitable level to be let out on the road to learn more.
At what level do you think a boat driving licence would be aimed - DS?
SeaBadger
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Re: Skipper licence
indeed, your right not so much driving test...i say green cross code
indeed, your right not so much driving test...i say green cross code
jonathankent
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Thats the problem with it all... I am just saying that cases like this don't help people in your position... I am sure that with 40yrs experience you probably know what you are doing, but as this example shows, there are plenty of people out there that don't
SeaBadger
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Re: Skipper licence
ah, sorry fireball. missed your point there didnt i!
ah, sorry fireball. missed your point there didnt i!
jonathankent
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Re: Skipper licence
IMHO I feel that the boat driving licence would have to be a far higher level than the equivalent driving test... you can't just pull over and park if you get out of your depth at sea.
I'm not saying that licensing is the right way to go, but examples like this aren't helping your argument. Not only did he put him and his crew at danger, but also the crews who came to rescue them... that is always my bug bear... people going to sea without a care in the world thinking everything will be alright, and it isn't. Then who has to risk things to pick up the pieces... the RNLI, coastguard, etc. I have the upmost respect for them... I couldn't have the patience for some of the people they have to pickup.
IMHO I feel that the boat driving licence would have to be a far higher level than the equivalent driving test... you can't just pull over and park if you get out of your depth at sea.
I'm not saying that licensing is the right way to go, but examples like this aren't helping your argument. Not only did he put him and his crew at danger, but also the crews who came to rescue them... that is always my bug bear... people going to sea without a care in the world thinking everything will be alright, and it isn't. Then who has to risk things to pick up the pieces... the RNLI, coastguard, etc. I have the upmost respect for them... I couldn't have the patience for some of the people they have to pickup.
chuckaduck
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no it didnt but she moved out the net day
billmacfarlane
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Re: What a plonker!
Why does that make him a plonker. If his rudder jammed or he had a mechanical problem that caused the problem to happen being a YM probably wouldn't have helped hom If I ran my boat on to the rocks due to a problem I had no control over would you call me a plonker as I don't even hold a competent crew certificate ? I haven't finished reading all the threads yet but there seems to be very little sympathy for someone who might have been killed and has lost his pride and joy. Allow me to be the first to express sympathy and relief that no one was injured. !!
Why does that make him a plonker. If his rudder jammed or he had a mechanical problem that caused the problem to happen being a YM probably wouldn't have helped hom If I ran my boat on to the rocks due to a problem I had no control over would you call me a plonker as I don't even hold a competent crew certificate ? I haven't finished reading all the threads yet but there seems to be very little sympathy for someone who might have been killed and has lost his pride and joy. Allow me to be the first to express sympathy and relief that no one was injured. !!
tcm
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plonker theory
oh, i don't think you are the first to be pleased at their being saved. Nor alone.
But the reports do seem to say that one minute it was fine and the next it was on the rocks, perhaps? So with onshore wind/breeze the boat might have been too close to do anything in the event of a problem?
I spose he *had* to be close to rocks to enter/exit lulworth i spose?
Though was it wise to enter/exit lulworth (the only aim surely being to anchor a bit?) with significant S or SW in the wind? The almanac says - Nope.
oh, i don't think you are the first to be pleased at their being saved. Nor alone.
But the reports do seem to say that one minute it was fine and the next it was on the rocks, perhaps? So with onshore wind/breeze the boat might have been too close to do anything in the event of a problem?
I spose he *had* to be close to rocks to enter/exit lulworth i spose?
Though was it wise to enter/exit lulworth (the only aim surely being to anchor a bit?) with significant S or SW in the wind? The almanac says - Nope.
BrendanS
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Re: plonker theory
anvil point is quite a long way from lulworth tho
anvil point is quite a long way from lulworth tho
tcm
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qualifications - yes but
erm i see your point but you wouldn't under any circumstances take a "comp crew" exam, would you?
The point being that anyone who lays claim to passing lowly qualifications is often at or just above that level.
Like job applicants who have CV qualifications proudly stating "Customer Service Grade 1 Distinction" or suchlike they are proud of that lowly achievement - it was a big step forward for them.
The more able see such qualifications as irrelevant.
Likewise, those who have their IQ tested and plenty of members of MENSA are usually a bit dim too (he says, digging hard) - they must have been eager to prove that they aren't as dim as they suspect they might be.
Lowly qualifications are often - tho not always- the deadweight sign of the Useless People, eager to prove they aren't useless - and yet the very taking of the exam itself marks them as such. It's better to have no degree than a rubbish one. On the other hand, anyone with more than 10 O-levels has probably got form.
This is perhaps the pompous post i have made for ages. Well, for a week or so anyway. Sorry to all comp crew. Here let me lend you a towel....
erm i see your point but you wouldn't under any circumstances take a "comp crew" exam, would you?
The point being that anyone who lays claim to passing lowly qualifications is often at or just above that level.
Like job applicants who have CV qualifications proudly stating "Customer Service Grade 1 Distinction" or suchlike they are proud of that lowly achievement - it was a big step forward for them.
The more able see such qualifications as irrelevant.
Likewise, those who have their IQ tested and plenty of members of MENSA are usually a bit dim too (he says, digging hard) - they must have been eager to prove that they aren't as dim as they suspect they might be.
Lowly qualifications are often - tho not always- the deadweight sign of the Useless People, eager to prove they aren't useless - and yet the very taking of the exam itself marks them as such. It's better to have no degree than a rubbish one. On the other hand, anyone with more than 10 O-levels has probably got form.
This is perhaps the pompous post i have made for ages. Well, for a week or so anyway. Sorry to all comp crew. Here let me lend you a towel....
Aja
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According to The Times this morning - the guy who had just bought the boat was involved in the flotation of Raymarine last year.
Obviously didn't get many freebies then.
Donald
Obviously didn't get many freebies then.
Donald
jimi
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Re: qualifications - yes but
Actually there is no Comp Crew exam, its a turn up and get the tick course. No nav, simply how to tie a bowline, handle a winch and make the tea.
Actually there is no Comp Crew exam, its a turn up and get the tick course. No nav, simply how to tie a bowline, handle a winch and make the tea.
Re: Flotation man sinks.
This story gets better by the day, then I realized an additional 500 yachts will have to sail around trouble free for a year just to pay for this clown.
I hope the insurers dispute the claim.
This story gets better by the day, then I realized an additional 500 yachts will have to sail around trouble free for a year just to pay for this clown.
I hope the insurers dispute the claim.
