Dual citizens/ETA enforcement from 24 February 2026
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lustyd
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What difference would it make to my point?
Neeves
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Don't take offence.
If you are in your 20s or 60s middle aged means different things - and as you picked out one group in your post I thought it interesting to whom you referred. I wondered which age group raised your ire to be specifically bracketed together in a slightly accusational way
Jonathan
lustyd
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It’s irrelevant, the point was that certain groups rarely face discrimination or targeting and it’s always those who speak most loudly in favour of privacy violations.
Baggywrinkle
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Middle age - Wikipedia
Generally speaking if you are not imprisoned at this age, or known to the authorities, and you look like a member of the largest ethnic demographic of the country you are in, you are pretty much invisible. This is why in western societies there is the concept of white privilege, which extends to all members of society who fit the demographic.
Dressed conservatively, and behaving in a way that isn't confrontational, people of this demographic will almost certainly be left alone or treated favourably during any interactions with authority.
Graham376
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What does that have to do with ID cards? Certain groups of people are stopped more than others, which would still be the case whether carrying a card or not. The advantage of ID cards is being able to prove who you are if/when requested, not just by the police.
pretzel_logic
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Once you're at immigration then your problems are over. With an Aus Passport and ETA you won't have a problem. If they accept your ETA then that's fine. If they don't accept your ETA (because they identify you as a UK citizen) then the matter is academic since you have an absolute right of entry with or without a UK passport (once they can prove that you are a UK citizen - which tbf, may take a little time).
There are only three separate lines at Immigration - eGates (you), families and foreign passports (not eligible for eGates).
It's the airlines that will present the issues, with allowing you to board.
Neeves
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This is going to be interesting as you must leave, Australia, using your Australian passport.
Historically dual citizens Australian/British could enter the UK on their Australian passports and never had need of a UK passport - its the change, apparently, now that is the issue - suddenly the UK is demanding their citizens must enter using a UK passport - and for Australans and Kiwis this is a major change - and my guess is unknown to many.
Most Australian simply don't consider themselves as dual citizens nor of being British. They might, or not, know they are dual citizens - but the implication were never underlined - it simply was an historic but irrelevant fact. If asked many in this group have never owned a British passport, they never had need (for example they arrived as kids of Ten Pound Pommes, of which there are many, on their parents passports). They were born in Australia to British immigrants none of whom have ever returned to the UK or seldom and only in the distant passed.
Of the Australian population just over 1 million (of 28 million Australians) were borne in the UK and some this of this 1m will have had children - all considered as citizens of the UK (as well as Australia). The numbers are large - its an awful lot of passports and/or an awful lot of passengers rejected by airlines even if only a few decide to visit 'the Mother country'.
Its definitely going to be interesting.
Jonathan
billskip
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Every country in the world AFAIK requier a visa or a passport...its simple...get a visa or a passport...the days have long gone that one could argue. There is mony in this business, also it is a way of people having to have up to date ID documents.
If I understand you correctly you say you must leave Australia on an Australian passport...so.. if the UK applies the same rules you are going to need a valid passport if you claim UK (dual) citizen..you may be let in with an argument but you won't get out again.
Neeves
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Forget about me, I'm just a bore (with which many will agree). I'm going to slip through the net as it appears an out of date passport, within 5 years of expiry is as good, in terms of entering or leaving the UK, as a valid in date passport.
The change is simple - in the past UK immigration accepted UK citizens of dual nationality and accepted the passport of the other citizenship where the citizen might live as long as it met visa requirements.
Now any dual citizen, and there maybe be well in excess of a million, stretching into millions, are suddenly required to carry 2 valid passports.
Why the change. As the change is pretty fundamental why not be proactive of the change - appreciating this impacts million.
The awarding of citizenship is not a function of choice - its a membership attached to birth and imposed by Bureaucracy and will now cause some inconvenience.
Is Passport Issuing now a UKGOV profit centre?
Now I have no idea on any of this - how much social security benefit is an entitlement for citizens, pensions, Can citizens find a route to free dental work. Can citizens apply for social housing.... etc etc. Billskip I may not be allowed to leave...so presumably UKGOV will care for their citizens.
Jonathan
billskip
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lustyd
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This isn’t the forum for that discussion. Traditionally though, storing personal data in a database and demanding to see people’s papers is not a good thing.
Neeves
Well-Known Member
Not a good thing
The data on which your passport is based should be destroyed and sight of your passport by authorities, your bank, Immigration, for purchase of an asset, yacht, is unacceptable.
Exactly how do people in the UK prove who they are?
Jonathan
lustyd
Well-Known Member
We don’t have to. The UK believes in freedom until you do something to have that freedom removed. No requirement to carry or show ID, and if the police ask for it you have a week to take it to them, assuming they have a valid reason to ask, otherwise tell them no.
Cdocsail
New Member
Dual (or multiple) Citizenship will become obsolete. Look at the US passport. If you are a US citizen, the US govt taxes you on income no matter where you make it or where you reside. With this in place, the US GOVERNMENT could effectively abolish dual or multiple citizenship by abolishing all tax treaties resulting in double or more taxation as other nations will tax as well.
The only way to avoid this trap will be to establish corporate entities in other countries (like apple, google, and other multinational corporations do)
It seems other nations in the EU are heading this way.
The only way to avoid this trap will be to establish corporate entities in other countries (like apple, google, and other multinational corporations do)
It seems other nations in the EU are heading this way.
syvictoria
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You obviously haven't applied for a new bank account recently...
lustyd
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Entirely different scenario, and we have many forms of ID for that purpose.
AntarcticPilot
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Several young people - not UK citizens - that I know have recently (well, in the last few years!) had to apply for things like bank accounts. The bank provides a long list of acceptable forms of ID, passport being one, but a driving license is also OK. Harder for young people is proof of address; they usually want to see formal letters (bills or invoices from a national concern) with the name and address clearly stated. As at the time they were living with me, that was a bigger problem - the bills are all in my name! The ID was easy - proof of address was the hard bit.
lustyd
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Driving licence is proof of address but yes we’re now having that problem since we sold the house and “moved in with parents” aka living aboard.
Graham376
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Possible way around this is to have one of their utility accounts in your name, doesn't matter whose bank account it's paid from. Also, make sure you're on the electoral role if keeping UK resident status.