Yacht breaks up off Anvil Point

Re: What a plonker!

" fundamentally flawed in their nature"

Perhaps you are not the best judge. Perhaps being able to pick up a bouy under sail might enable you to avoid being caught out in the gale. Would you want to learn to ride on a 1200 sports bike ?
The RYA scheme was put together after a lot of experience and discussion and is regularly reviewed and has successfully introduced a lot of people to sailing.
It is, however, quite the politically correct thing on this forum to knock it.
Ken
 
Re: What a plonker!

The point I was making was not meant to be a criticism of the RYA courses themselves I actually think (in my limited knowledge based opinion) the content is good. However, the fundamental flaw I was making reference to was the fact that to a certain extent the level of “practical” teaching on these courses is somewhat restricted dependent on conditions. E.g. I imagine being taught a MOB routine in light winds is somewhat different to the reality of the majority of MOB situations i.e. I would rather experience a practical lesson of a MOB routine (for example) with qualified instructors in a situation of heavy winds/seas when I guess the majority of MOB situations occur.
 
Re: What a plonker!

I think the problem is there is too much leeway for instructors, especially with the big commercial schools.

With one school someone could be picking up a buoy in Newtown creek at slack water in sun and a F2, with another school it could be off Cowes with 3 knots of tide in pouring rain and a F4. Boating is carried out in all sorts of conditions and it is just not possible for course content and schools to allow for this - it can also be pitched at the ability level of the pupil.

People say with the car test, once you've passed you can then go and learn to drive. With the lower end RYA courses it is a case of you have passed the course, now go and learn to sail.

I think you have used the right phrase "introduced", it is only an introduction to various levels to hopefully allow people to gain experience without a major disaster.
 
Re: Flotation man sinks.

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Surprised no pictures of Hannah Gutteridge have emerged yet.

I wonder if she is the PR bod who works for Sacla pasta sauce people?

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According to the Telegraph that's the lady.

Do you know her?
 
Re: Breeze effect

My moneys with ken, bit of a surf, back winded from cliffs and then gybes and broaches, wacking rock with starboard bow, elementary my dear watson, also explains why boat was facing the way it had just come.
 
I remember..

..the excellent instructor on my Day Skipper course saying his main objective was that way should come away from the course being well aware of our limitations, and know what to do about gaining more experience.

It was, by the way, conducted in some pretty atrocious conditions and without the use of an engine for much of the course.

He also refused to pass us because we had not been able to demonstrate some of the 'under power' manoeuvres and insisted the sailing school grant us 3 days free at a time decided by us in order to complete the course.

If all instructors were like him, there would be a lot of 'wise' sailors out there.
 
Re: Flotation man sinks.

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"Surprised no pictures of Hannah Gutteridge have emerged yet.

I wonder if she is the PR bod who works for Sacla pasta sauce people?"



According to the Telegraph that's the lady.

Do you know her?


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No, I just googled her name and she signs off all of Sacla's press releases. The first hit even gives her mobile number.
 
Re: Reply to Newtosailing

I sympathise with your sentiment BUT the RYA scheme is voluntary and has to be pitched to attract people to do it. As it is- it's a lot better than going out without any tuition or knowledge. For these reasons I thing Comp crew and dayskipper are easier but the yachtmaster more exacting. On mine the Instructor refused to pass us without performing the manoeuvers under sail in a F3 or above and we had to abandon the exam until another day - quite correctly in my opinion.

To extend your argument to say the context of a car or motorcycle driving test we should therefore have to complete it on a good day, a rainy day, a frosty day and perhaps one in snow and ice!! I think you will agree its just not practical.

With all its inperfections there is a fairly high take up of the RYA qualifications and I think it is difficult to improve on them without dissuading a number of people to do them. The courses are in fact like sailing - the wind is nearly always wrong!!

I would like to think the way you have described starting out is similar to most these days and with sensible caution you will quickly improve your knowledge and experience with no major problems.

Happy sailing!
 
Devils Advocate

While a LOT has been written about inexperience and his course...Has anyone stopped to think that possibly:

This 47 footer was not his first boat...reports say he bought the yachts 2 weeks earlier, but I haven't read that it was his first boat.

Maybe they lost steering, either cable or rudder dropping off...which was why he was below at the time...boat broaches spins round outta control crunch

There are many people with little or no qualifications that are sailing...just because he only had a comp crew, doesn't mean he wasn't able to sail a yacht.

I know I'll probably get flamed for suggesting these, but it was just a thought or two about the reports...I read the thread about the previous week in Yarmouth which would indicate the lack of experience at close quarters handling, but I've seen a lot of cock ups some by very experienced sailors.

I'm not suggesting that this guy was experienced, or that this wasn't his first boat or he did have a steering problem. But it was just having a subjective look at the situation...I'm sure the MAIB will find out what happened and after that we can start this free for all with some facts to back the criticism up

PS if you'd like to know how much of a grasp the papers had on the situation, lets go for a quote from The Times when he "rushed on deck to see a gaping hole in the glass fibre side of the yacht"....One question, when was the last time you saw your top sides/underwater section of your hull from on deck?? /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
 
Re: Breeze effect

could have done, but not if the keel didnt hit anything, i am seeing my dear watson the boat broaching to port, with the starboard bow leading the way, the keel would as the boat was heeled ....... who cares
 
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