Yacht breaks up off Anvil Point

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didn't Chay Blyth set off on a Round the World Race not knowing anything about navigation?

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Yes, but he only intended to go to the Isle of Wight! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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Actually I feel the broker should pay. Guy turns up, obviously very inexperienced. Broker flogs boat, least they should have done was organise some proper training courses for the guy rather than say "Oh its dead easy. Just pass your cheque over." Hope the salesman feels a tad guilty.

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Quite right. After all, when you buy a car the salesman always come out and carefully assesses your driving before organising all the relevent tuition for you to bring you up to the required standard doesn't he?

What happened to the concept of people being resonsible for their own actions in this country? Chap who bought the boat was a grown up, up to him to ensure he could use it properly, not the bloke who sold it him surely?
 
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Robin

There is other evidence to support the lack of experience theory. The fact that they had spent the night in Lulworth, you will well know that with any S in the wind Lulworth is NOT the place to be. With the forcast on Sunday for the wind to be backing SW 6 -7, would you overnight in Lulworth? Also in those conditions I would not stay close in around St Albans. I would want loads of sea room.

I do support the thanks that there was no loss of life etc. If the lack of experience theory turns out to be true, then it is an example of cheque book sailing nearly having a tragic outcome.
 
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The car salesman can't give you a car until you have insurance, you won't get insurance until you have a driving licence .. next question please,Ari.
 
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Oh come on Robin, running onto rocks is a bit more than close. I've climbed extensively there and taken the boat very close in to admire situations of past exploits. To hit a rock is recklessly close like within a few metres of the shore. From what I saw there was a sizeable onshore swell and I do beleive there was some south on the wind and anybody with a bit of sea sense keeps a bit of sea room if possible to deal with the unexpected... apertic on a lee shore. Can't see there was any defensible here at all. All are safe so no issue there.

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I'm not arguing any case or trying to defend, merely to say there could be a multitude of reasons for the incident, even ones not yet guessed by the forum.

There is no doubt hitting the rocks is 'close' as they are only found at the very foot of the cliffs! The question is were they running that close in all the way along, I very much doubt it as the cliffs drop back anyway from the straight St Albans - Anvil rhumb line. For us if headed for Poole yes we would pass Anvil very close, because we would want to hang a left a bit after passing it to then go to just off Peveril Ledge buoy but if going to the Solent like they were would be already out farther because that is the straighter route. However my definition of 'close' is not that close! Like I said, the cliffs are very intimidating and most of us who say we are 'close' are in reality quite a ways off. The CPA would be at Anvil Point itself but because of the tide you would be at that point normally for minutes only before being swept past and clear.

This wasn't what I would call a Lee shore in that wind direction and is indeed less so than say the North Channel into the western Solent would be in the same wind direction, it also has a similarly fast tide running parallel to the shore. I wouldn't want to hit the gravel banks there either but nevertheless it is a common approach to use even in strong winds when indeed it is preferable to the Needles Channel.

Anyway to join the throng, I'll add some more pure speculation:-

SWMBO says the owner was sulking and went below to leave her to it (can't think where she got that notion from....) Or he was on the loo, pants around his ankles, or even being seasick.

Miss Muppet panicked and froze when the autopilot turned 90 left as the mobilphone rang (I had that happen, sans panic of course)

Boat was running, maybe even wing and wing, and she lost it in a gybe followed by a fast port reach into the cliffs. Or same scenario but the autopilot caused the gybe it and she didn't know how to sort it.

They had just taken delivery of the new boat but the cheque bounced, so it was a failed suicide pact before they got back to the waiting police.

Miss Muppet dropped her handbag or her designer hat blew off and she went back to perform hat overboard recovery.
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The good news is they are both safe, boats can be replaced but people can't and embarassment will hopefully be shortlived.
 
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The car salesman can't give you a car until you have insurance, you won't get insurance until you have a driving licence .. next question please,Ari.

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Ah yes of course, I stand corrected.

After all, you never ever see foolish,dangerous or downright incompetent driving on the roads because everyone has a driving licence, you're quite right.

And a few weeks in a BSM Corsa is the perfect training for a BMW M5 isn't it?

Next question please?
 
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I think Chay Blyth may have had more of an idea of survival techniques generally than most /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
 
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Robin

There is other evidence to support the lack of experience theory. The fact that they had spent the night in Lulworth, you will well know that with any S in the wind Lulworth is NOT the place to be. With the forcast on Sunday for the wind to be backing SW 6 -7, would you overnight in Lulworth? Also in those conditions I would not stay close in around St Albans. I would want loads of sea room.


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Yes I agree IF the Lulworth bit was actually true and not just inacurate reporting, maybe of an intended destination. I cannot imagine anyone staying in Lulworth in that wind direction full stop.

The area is local to and well known by us and so we might well have been inshore along there but with the proviso that if we had the main up at all we would not be set up so that an involuntary gybe was a possibility let alone in the area off Anvil where the rhumb line (to our home port of Poole) does pass very close to the point itself. They seem to have charged into the cliffs west of Anvil Point, which allowing fo a fast east going tide meant that their 'incident' probably started even more west of the point itself. Our choice of inshore or offshore would have been made by conditions expected back at St Albans, ie to go inside or outside of the tide race. If really coming from Lulworth however as opposed to say Weymouth or Portland there would be a temptation to go inshore anyway to avoid the long detour outside of the race. That said if Solent bound why would Anvil even be a factor, because the rhumb line once cleared inside the race would take you away from rather than towards Anvil. We have often resorted to car style hand signals to try and explain to Solent bound boats tailgating us a couple of waves back that we wanted to turn left across their course as we were headed for Poole not the Solent once round St Albans!

I now see other 'evidence' of doubtful competence so more is emerging!
 
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Ah yes so if there is no requirement for a driving licence at all then obviously the incidence of incompetent driving will decrease. Sorry Ari, should have known that, obvious really.
 
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A very odd slant, are you a politician by any chance?? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
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Interesting Post about the incompetent boat handling a week before. Up till this post I wanted to believe the skipper had gone below to sort out a serious problem.

Regarding Autohelms I have had 4 occassions had the rudder jam until I realised someone had accidently pressed the "AUTO" button. With the Autohelm situated in btm LH corner of pod (as often is) the button does seem to get pressed by people grabbing pod. Last time was this weekend. Encouraged SWMBO to take boat out of berth to fill up with diesel. Unberthing from fuel pontoon she said can't do it and quickly handed over to me, I intially though we had caught a rope around the rudder but then checked autohelm and found it on. Whether SWMBO or one of our 2 crew accidently pressed it I am not sure but luckily no other boats around. As with all occassions when things go wrong it's surprising how quickly it all happens and how little time you have to correct it.

I wonder if the boat that was lost was on autohelm when the skipper went below and an inexperienced crew accidently hit the button & switched it off!

I am pleased that they are both OK, can understand peoples anger that these people MAY be inexperienced and possibly incompetent but would prefer to know the facts before passing judgement.

I like freedom of choice - providing an incompetent person doesn't damage MY boat, but think the RYA courses are the best way for the majority to learn.
 
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I hope the insurers dispute the claim.

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What a strange thing to say.

If you ever have to make a claim, come on here so that we can wish you the same.
 
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"The car salesman can't give you a car until you have insurance"

Not that I buy cars very frequently, but I don't ever remember being asked to show insurance before driving away.

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Once upon a time, whilst on my own and tacking up the channel towards the chain ferry in Poole, I hit the "auto-tack" buttons on my Navico TP......

Instead of heading up and going onto port tack, I found myself bearing away towards the training bank which was 20yards away. Eeeeeeeek! Luckily managed to bang the arm of the TP off the tiller and crash gybe away, with the TP whirring away trying to correct itself before I could eventually put it in standby. /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

Yep, I pressed the wrong button!
 
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...... can understand peoples anger that these people MAY be inexperienced and possibly incompetent....

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I have trouble understanding that and wonder why there isn't a bit more sympathy for the loss of a boat - why should anyone be "angry"? There are lots of inexperienced, possibly incompetent, people out there but they generally learn in time without a major disaster.

There are other threads on here where people admit to cocking up or doing something daft through their own inexperience and people are quite supportive, the only person who has lost out in this event is the owner of the boat.
 
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Lescargot, I was just about to post the same thought, but here goes anyway.

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I am not really surprised by this incident having been within milimeters of being hit by Wellworthy in Yarmouth harbour the previous weekend.

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It is ironic that whilst one new boater is being sympathised with on the MOBO forum for his cock ups in harbour, with even experienced boaters admitting that they made many mistakes in the beginning and still do, that over here, these same mistakes are treated without any sympathyat all.
 
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"The car salesman can't give you a car until you have insurance"

Not that I buy cars very frequently, but I don't ever remember being asked to show insurance before driving away.

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Maybe I've got a more honest face than Jimi?

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I take exception to that you ignorant blackmailing twat. Wonder if Keith will now drop this thread.
 
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