What's the fascination with long keels?

[Scotty_Tradewind]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzZ4UG-Q7ig

Amazing what some of these contemporary smoothing iron shaped hulls can do.... I wouldn't want to be in an old Bav' in that lot though.

Best kept hidden until conditions like this turn up.
http://www.boatmatch.com/boat-for-sale.php?boat=16346

I tell you what, I'll do you a straight swap.

 

[Simondjuk]

Stop digging Simon.....

take a look at this to calm yourself...
http://s725.photobucket.com/user/jo...ngspiritualwithJohnRutter.mp4.html?sort=3&o=0

Not digging, just trying to enlighten someone determined to hang on to the wrong end of a stick and who has apparently never encountered a hump back bridge.

My phone won't open your link for some reason, but if it's the same sort of thing as the video of the force 5 you posted earlier, rest assured that I'm comparing rather more vigorous conditions to the ones shown there.

We sail our old Bav if the forecast is anything up to and including an 8, although gave the Raz a miss in that, and have ended up out in more. So far we've not broken any of our carelessly stowed and rather thin wine glasses, chipped any crockery, lost our own cooker off its gimbals or rattled out any fillings. We also often sleep in the forepeak underway. I'll let you decide for yourself whether or not that suggests that we suffer slamming.

 

[Simondjuk]

Amazing what some of these contemporary smoothing iron shaped hulls can do.... I wouldn't want to be in an old Bav' in that lot though.

Best kept hidden until conditions like this turn up.
http://www.boatmatch.com/boat-for-sale.php?boat=16346

I tell you what, I'll do you a straight swap.

The first link was an old Bav. Off the wind mind, so the keel could well have already fallen off.

 

[Third mate]

Unless you are a real sailor in a traditional wooden long keeled classic, in which case that would be a serious no no. No need for that expense or complication if you apply some basic seamanship.

Why should a 'real sailor' object to something that makes life easier and safer, unless you follow the RN at the turn of the century who insisted on masts for steam powered ships. the word 'Luddite' springs to mind

Bit like some people who think unless your boat can take the ground your not a 'real' sailor. personally going aground indicates a bad navigator.

 

[doug748]

Not digging, just trying to enlighten someone determined to hang on to the wrong end of a stick and who has apparently never encountered a hump back bridge.

My phone won't open your link for some reason, but if it's the same sort of thing as the video of the force 5 you posted earlier, rest assured that I'm comparing rather more vigorous conditions to the ones shown there.

We sail our old Bav if the forecast is anything up to and including an 8, although gave the Raz a miss in that, and have ended up out in more. So far we've not broken any of our carelessly stowed and rather thin wine glasses, chipped any crockery, lost our own cooker off its gimbals or rattled out any fillings. We also often sleep in the forepeak underway. I'll let you decide for yourself whether or not that suggests that we suffer slamming.

Sounds like it is right up there, with the Anderson 22.

 

[alant]

Why should a 'real sailor' object to something that makes life easier and safer, unless you follow the RN at the turn of the century who insisted on masts for steam powered ships. the word 'Luddite' springs to mindBit like some people who think unless your boat can take the ground your not a 'real' sailor. personally going aground indicates a bad navigator.

'Belt n Braces' comes to mine!

 

[JumbleDuck]

Why should a 'real sailor' object to something that makes life easier and safer, unless you follow the RN at the turn of the century who insisted on masts for steam powered ships. the word 'Luddite' springs to mind

Absolutely. I choose to sail without a plotter, but I don't think that makes me superior to people who use them.

Bit like some people who think unless your boat can take the ground your not a 'real' sailor. personally going aground indicates a bad navigator.

Almost every time I have gone aground has been (a) deliberate and (b) where I intended to.

 

[Sybarite]

Stop digging Simon.....

take a look at this to calm yourself...
http://s725.photobucket.com/user/jo...ngspiritualwithJohnRutter.mp4.html?sort=3&o=0

Thank you.

 

[Sybarite]

Amazing what some of these contemporary smoothing iron shaped hulls can do.... I wouldn't want to be in an old Bav' in that lot though.

Best kept hidden until conditions like this turn up.
http://www.boatmatch.com/boat-for-sale.php?boat=16346

I tell you what, I'll do you a straight swap.

That's interesting; a Bavaria made in France...?

 

[Robin]

Which camp does our new to us Benny fall into, I wonder, with a wing keel and spade rudder?? Are we in a class apart??

 

[john_morris_uk]

Which camp does our new to us Benny fall into, I wonder, with a wing keel and spade rudder?? Are we in a class apart??

It falls into the "I'm delighted to see you with a sailboat again" category.

How fat is the back end is a key question in how she will behave as well you know you stirrer! And I am obviously far to much of a gentleman to be referring to "T"! (PS How's her golf swing and I'm sorry we couldn't meet up when I was in Florida in March.)

 

[Babylon]

Is "golf swing" characteristic of beamy fin-keelers?

 

[robmcg]

Which camp does our new to us Benny fall into, I wonder, with a wing keel and spade rudder?? Are we in a class apart??

Correct, you fall into the keel design category of 'Star Trek' owing to having something akin to the Starship Enterprise attached to the bottom of the keel. Having sailed in company with a Starlight 35 which has a similar Star Trek keel, I can confirm it is likely to give you a good warp factor 8!!

 

[Robin]

It falls into the "I'm delighted to see you with a sailboat again" category.

How fat is the back end is a key question in how she will behave as well you know you stirrer! And I am obviously far to much of a gentleman to be referring to "T"! (PS How's her golf swing and I'm sorry we couldn't meet up when I was in Florida in March.)

Her swing is fine but composure after an encounter with the local 'ladies' golf section is not, the witches would not accept her British handicap certificate even with a letter from the EGU confirming it, so she is boycotting their mickey mouse competitions and just playing with friends and me when I'm in that category.

We had the boat delivered from Fort Lauderdale because I get totally lost every time I go there during it's apparent total rebuild and could not bear another double road trip to bring the boat back. The delivery crew were very impressed with her sailing so I have high hopes!

 

[john_morris_uk]

Is "golf swing" characteristic of beamy fin-keelers?

Very funny - you've probably worked out that we have known (and sailed in company with) Robin and his good lady for a while and I remember her addiction to the swinging of clubs at a little white ball.

Her swing is fine but composure after an encounter with the local 'ladies' golf section is not, the witches would not accept her British handicap certificate even with a letter from the EGU confirming it, so she is boycotting their mickey mouse competitions and just playing with friends and me when I'm in that category.

We had the boat delivered from Fort Lauderdale because I get totally lost every time I go there during it's apparent total rebuild and could not bear another double road trip to bring the boat back. The delivery crew were very impressed with her sailing so I have high hopes!

Sorry to hear of 'T's' encounter with the local witches.

Of course you appreciate that for some people on here you are probably going to die every time that boat leaves the dock. Fancy fin keel and a spade rudder! You are obviously doomed.

Our boat also has a spade rudder - but its all we can afford and it will have to do! If there's a choice of sailing the boat we've got round the oceans and not sailing at all, I know which choice I will make.

This has got VERY LITTLE to do with the original discussion I started.

I also note that its the 20th most viewed discussion on YBW which is a bit worrying. A quick search shows that Concordia and various other disasters are the more frequently viewed ones in the top twenty!

`Perhaps I should have started a thread about which disastrous keel should one have a prejudice about?

 

[Robin]

Very funny - you've probably worked out that we have known (and sailed in company with) Robin and his good lady for a while and I remember her addiction to the swinging of clubs at a little white ball.



Sorry to hear of 'T's' encounter with the local witches.

Of course you appreciate that for some people on here you are probably going to die every time that boat leaves the dock. Fancy fin keel and a spade rudder! You are obviously doomed.

Our boat also has a spade rudder - but its all we can afford and it will have to do! If there's a choice of sailing the boat we've got round the oceans and not sailing at all, I know which choice I will make.

This has got VERY LITTLE to do with the original discussion I started.

I also note that its the 20th most viewed discussion on YBW which is a bit worrying. A quick search shows that Concordia and various other disasters are the more frequently viewed ones in the top twenty!

`Perhaps I should have started a thread about which disastrous keel should one have a prejudice about?

The thing that worries me most about our keel is that it looks like it has a flattened Rocna anchor on the bottom and we know ho well Rocnas stick in mud should we get it wrong in the skinny waters over here. She ( the boat not the wife) has a wideish back end but mostly in the bit sitting above the waterline and is slippery and more canoe-stern shaped under the neath. The backyard area behind the conservatory is nicely formed to carry the RIB in davits ( we dumped the PWC) and the obligatory AWB fixed BBQ, but returning from the dark side we had picked up some bad habits The stainless steel anchor on the bow also has us classified firmly in the 'Dock Queen' category so we will no doubt be in the group suspected by the MABs of never going out in any wind forecasted over a F2 or with wave heights forecasted to be above a mere ripple.

 

[dulls]

I've always thought that the main advantage of a long-keeler was that it gave you an excellent excuse for c**king up your berthing

You cant stuff up berthing in a long keeler. I was taught " which ever way she goes look as though you meant it." I must admit that you need a bigger marina for bouncing around in. In regards to picking a long keeler or a fin keeler go with whatever real and imaginary fears you have about the ocean and pick the boat that mosts feeds these nagging beasts. That will be the best boat for you.

This is my long keeler and she goes fast i think because she is so skinny under water.

 

[KellysEye]

>But when lightweight fin keelers are reefing she picks up and goes and has a very nice motion without any slamming. We are happy with our chosen compromise.

Agree. We had a long keel, with cutaway forefoot, steel ketch. Long keelers don't broach, don't turn up into wind and don't surf, thus you can sleep at night not worrying about those things happening. Also when a gust goes through should would heel a bit, shrug, and stand up.

We have sailed AWB's in gales when chartering and they are a nightmare on all points of sail: slamming, turning into wind, surfing and losing rudder control, heeling until the toe rail is in even when reefed, although we never broached.

As ever though people choose the boat they want and most never go long distance sailing or are ever in heavy weather and had we done that we would have bought an AWB.

 

[HinewaisMan]

You cant stuff up berthing in a long keeler.

Ha! Should have seen me sideways across my new pen in Falmouth when trying to get into it for the first time on Tuesday morning!

I was taught " which ever way she goes look as though you meant it."

Not even I had the balls to look as if I meant to do that.

No, I have always found prayer before and strong drink after is the best way to face berthing in a new place with Hinewai.

 

[rotrax]

No, I have always found prayer before and strong drink after is the best way to face berthing in a new place with Hinewai.

First mate-who is I/C steering and berthing- adds plenty of fenders both sides to that!