scotty123
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Just seen one out of the water.
Pretty looking boat, but how does it sail & how slow are they with that big long keel?
Pretty looking boat, but how does it sail & how slow are they with that big long keel?
Tradewind 35
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Tranona
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Just exactly how you would expect! It was designed for long distance, shorthanded voyaging in all kinds of conditions. So it is not a lightweight flyer, but a solid, steady all weather performer.
KellysEye
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>So it is not a lightweight flyer, but a solid, steady all weather performer.
Agree. We have a long keeler and they don't broach, they don't turn into wind in a gust and they don't surf i.e. you can sleep at night knowing the boat can sail herself. Also comfortable in a seaway.
Agree. We have a long keeler and they don't broach, they don't turn into wind in a gust and they don't surf i.e. you can sleep at night knowing the boat can sail herself. Also comfortable in a seaway.
Pleiades
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Wot, one of these?
Haven't-a-Clue
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Wot, one of these?
Well, I dunno about anyone else but I'd have one. That sure is a pretty boat.
Pleiades
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Depends on how you like your fast to be.
Have done single handed non stop Solent to the North of Ireland in 4 and a half days in strong to gale force SE lies, wind vane doing the work, me not doing any worrying at all about slow she was. Similarly beating to windward through gales - often can't see any other sod out there to compare speeds with for some reason....
Robin
Pleiades of Birdham
MXWQ5
Have done single handed non stop Solent to the North of Ireland in 4 and a half days in strong to gale force SE lies, wind vane doing the work, me not doing any worrying at all about slow she was. Similarly beating to windward through gales - often can't see any other sod out there to compare speeds with for some reason....
Robin
Pleiades of Birdham
MXWQ5
jonic
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They are lovely bluewater boats.....and you usually have to prise them from their owners hands.
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alant
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Pleiades
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The underwater profile of the TW 35 gives a clue as to her predictability underway but it certainly takes a bit of antifouling:-
As regards comparisons with the Endurance and the Nic, I doubt if you will find many disgruntled owners.
Spent a few days rafted alongside an Endurance 37. Owner did complain that she would not tack well - had to start the engine to get her round - that may just indicate a poor rig set up. I personally don't fancy the deck saloon version on that particular boat - I don't think it works well at sea. The flush deck on both boats is great at sea however, even if it reduces room below forcing one to hang about on deck when in port......
The Nic would I think be faster but has less vloume down below for stores. I think she is fin and skeg with some odd arrangements used for the engine/drive shaft. Also will be older than some TWs which were built in UK right up to about 1999 and are still available from the Netherlands if you could stomach the price of a new one.
But really any would do nicely thank you Sir......
Robin
Pleiades of Birdham
MXWQ5
As regards comparisons with the Endurance and the Nic, I doubt if you will find many disgruntled owners.
Spent a few days rafted alongside an Endurance 37. Owner did complain that she would not tack well - had to start the engine to get her round - that may just indicate a poor rig set up. I personally don't fancy the deck saloon version on that particular boat - I don't think it works well at sea. The flush deck on both boats is great at sea however, even if it reduces room below forcing one to hang about on deck when in port......
The Nic would I think be faster but has less vloume down below for stores. I think she is fin and skeg with some odd arrangements used for the engine/drive shaft. Also will be older than some TWs which were built in UK right up to about 1999 and are still available from the Netherlands if you could stomach the price of a new one.
But really any would do nicely thank you Sir......
Robin
Pleiades of Birdham
MXWQ5
jimi
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I have heard the TW 35 with the bowsprit is a tad better balanced, the one without has a heavy weather helm, but they're great for sleeping on whilst underway in **** weather!
tcm
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Quite pretty but they mite get ripped apart by (say) a similar size beneteau dead downwind, ahem
Pleiades
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The TW 35 was designed after the 33 and the 39, both of which were by some accounts prone to weather helm. The consensus is that designer John Rock got it right with the 35 but I know of at least one 33 that has circumnavigated without complaint and all versions are ideally suited for a windvane which is a fair test of tracking ability. The bow sprit is an ideal way to carry more sail area provided you don't mind the extra mooring charges. The alternative of adding double spreaders and increasing the mast height requires even more ballast to retain balance. As regards the need for speed - a cutter such as the Endurance or TW can surprise even the racing snakes of the sea. I once reeled in and slowly overtook a Contessa 32 downwind, despite the Contessa's huge foresail - one seriously disgruntled Contessa crew. I had not got the heart to shout across to them that I had not antifouled for 18 months. I had dropped my yankee and rolled out a large lightweight genoa which is an attraction of the cutter rig. One does not often see a TW 35 under spinnaker but unless you want to be embarrassed I would not be too ready to challenge one to a race if there is a breeze about...
Robin
Pleiades of Birdham
MXWQ5
Robin
Pleiades of Birdham
MXWQ5
clyst
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Tradewind 35 ? This is the next best thing.!! Finnsailer 34
Twister_Ken
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And, believe me, Jimi should know.
When he went below he was in Cherbourg, when he re-emerged he was in Gosport.
Tanqueray
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You couldn't buy a new one back then until John Rock (the designer) had interviewed and 'passed' you!
Great blue water boats - they (The Company) are sort of still around
here..
http://www.forest-design.com/tradewind/index.htm
Great blue water boats - they (The Company) are sort of still around
here..
http://www.forest-design.com/tradewind/index.htm
Pleiades
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Hi Clyst crew - your Finnsailer is a handsome boat - that would also do nicely thank you. Don't know the Finnsailer although I think same firm used to make heavy duty motorsailers which I quite fancied. Can't find any pickies on the blog - got any more?
Hope the rounding goes well. Let us know if it really is an island we are on!
Robin
Pleiades of Birdham
MXWQ5
Hope the rounding goes well. Let us know if it really is an island we are on!
Robin
Pleiades of Birdham
MXWQ5
clyst
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Hi Nauticat make them now. I believe they are called Nauticat S34. Google finnsailer 34 . several on there.
They are lovely boats ,the finnsailer, fit out quality is on a paralell to HRs . She is often mistaken for one .
Kilter
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We had a TW33 and lived aboard for two years while doing a very leisurely Atlantic circuit. They are rock solid and inspire confidence. In light airs not fast but do keep going and as the wind rises they come into their own. Eric the Aries did most of the steering and very good he was too!
We had the one with the taller rig and weather helm was not too bad. The guy who bought her from us squaared off the bottom of the rudder, which I would imagine helped. I believe that she has now sprouted a bowsprit and become a cutter, something I would have liked to do.
We did have and use a spinnaker but not a shocking pink one as shown above!
We had the one with the taller rig and weather helm was not too bad. The guy who bought her from us squaared off the bottom of the rudder, which I would imagine helped. I believe that she has now sprouted a bowsprit and become a cutter, something I would have liked to do.
We did have and use a spinnaker but not a shocking pink one as shown above!
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E39mad
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Most Tradewind 35's were moulded by Blondecell iirc who also made the Cromarty 36 at the time. However some boats were purchased as bonded units for home completion and whilst the Blondecell finished boats were well executed you may have to be more careful with a home completion.
Scotty_Tradewind
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I have a 1977 T33 built for designer John Rock who ownerd her briefly.
It does have a bowsprit now and sails well cutter rig in a blow. Whilst well reefed we saw 7.5+knots through the water in real blows during May/June in some very lumpy seas. As long as the sails are balanced we found the steering to be finger touch, but to carry too much main can punish with weather helm.
In a F4 in flat water in portsmouth harbour, we've had 6.2Knots with sloop rig, having a very large roller genoa. She points almost as well as my Twister did but would benefit from better sails hanked on I would think. She is definatly a drier boat than the Twister in similar bumpy conditions. She seems bombproof.
In light airs she's no modern racer, but doesn't disappoint. With the poled out genny and goosewinged main on a preventer we were keeping up with most on a run in a F2-3 recently. I've not used the cruising shute yet.
Overall I'm extremely happy with the first few months and I'm much relieved to find her better than many had predicted.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDJ8f2KduZI&NR=1
It does have a bowsprit now and sails well cutter rig in a blow. Whilst well reefed we saw 7.5+knots through the water in real blows during May/June in some very lumpy seas. As long as the sails are balanced we found the steering to be finger touch, but to carry too much main can punish with weather helm.
In a F4 in flat water in portsmouth harbour, we've had 6.2Knots with sloop rig, having a very large roller genoa. She points almost as well as my Twister did but would benefit from better sails hanked on I would think. She is definatly a drier boat than the Twister in similar bumpy conditions. She seems bombproof.
In light airs she's no modern racer, but doesn't disappoint. With the poled out genny and goosewinged main on a preventer we were keeping up with most on a run in a F2-3 recently. I've not used the cruising shute yet.
Overall I'm extremely happy with the first few months and I'm much relieved to find her better than many had predicted.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDJ8f2KduZI&NR=1
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